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Rose's Thorns.

A general pondering.
2 years ago. May 5, 2021 at 4:14 AM

These are two of the pillars in our community. 

Ive drawn an interesting conclusion recently. People don't like truth or honesty, they like the illusion of it because actual truth and honesty is brutal. 

This is something i like (maybe it's my inner masochist?) Who knows. The honesty can be challenging but at least you know right? 

Wrong. 

I've come to realise that people don't like actual honesty and truth (in general). They like find it too difficult. They like the white lies, it's like a comforter to them.

 

This utterly baffles me, probably baffles some of you here too. We have a concept of your better off knowing than not, at least you can either do something about it or be aware so you don't get as hurt as you could have done. 

Believing the crap to my mind you might as well wrap yourself up in a turd coat and block your ears and eyes. It doesn't stop the brick wall from being in front of you, you just can't see it and will walk into it. At least when you can see it you have time to find sticks and build a ladder. This is my way of thinking but it isn't everyones. Some will happily go smack into the wall or walk around in circles to avoid it. 

 

So why? 

 

A friend on here messaged me about contrast and juxtaposition. Ive realised people find the level of truth we are used to here jarring. They can't cope with it. They aren't ignoring the wall they are ignoring the meadow on the other side because acknowledging its very existence is painful. 

 

People like the lie its comfortable, they enjoy the dishonesty as long as it rubs their ego just right...

.... this is one of the things i find deranging because it's different for each person. You do this wrong (shouldn't have to anyway) and your fucked. 

 

This dishonesty, white lies, ego boost or whatever you want to call it is almost used as self justification, building a sense of self. At least for some and its not always intentional either. People like to hear positive things, the good stuff. When challenged with honesty... well... tends to not go well because it can be destabilising. 

 

So when you first come somewhere where brutal honesty exists and phrases like 'i didn't lie, i just wasn't telling the whole truth' don't hold water. It can be really disorienting. Not just because you might be challenged on a few things (we all are). And there have been times ive gone, i will have to give that a think and get back to you. Because im not sure. 

 

It's also challenging and very vulnerable to be that honest with yourself and others. 

 

Being honest with others can mean risking upsetting them. This is can be a big challenge but ... other people are not mind readers and the level of trust required here is a lot higher than most. 

 

How do you expect to build anything without a good foundation? 

 

So, take some time to consider things if need be, allowing yourself to be honest with yourself, things don't need to be answered immediately when points are raised. It's okay to take some time. 

 

And if you can try not to let ego get in the way, wanting to please people all the time to give you a sense of self worth when the cause of being unhappy isn't being addressed isn't going to help. Similarly, needing positive feedback or having a lot of positive feedback then one negative can be equally challenging to deal with. So taking time to consider these points and if anything can be learnt helps. 

There is no room for ego with the types of trust and honesty that exist here, especially if safety exists. Side note- doesn't mean ego is a bad thing either, its not, it's actually helpful to judge what we are comfortable with. 

 

But anyways, this can be a jarring experience, contrasting what you thought or had knowledge of to find a whole new world with many possibilities and suddenly there is so much to know it can be seriously daunting. 

 

Your now sat in the meddow, looking back at the wall you kept walking into. It's not an easy imagine from the other side either and is jarring in contrast. 

 

This brutal level of honesty and truth that we have in this lifestyle is to establish trust and is rare. That is because in any other situation pointing out that contrast with truth is considered rude (mainly because it's an affront to ones ego). This honesty one of the reasons i love this lifestyle. I would rather know. 

 

Just my personsl perspective. 

Rose 

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WhatamIfightingfor​(dom male) - Very true. The only one you can truly lie to is yourself.
2 years ago
FearlessBrat​(sub female){H.PL.} - Loving yourself equals being honest with oneself. Once you can achieve that, then you are free to be truthful with others. Plus there are ways of how to conduct yourself in order not to hurt nor upset someone.
2 years ago
rosethorn​(sub female) - It is a good way of showing you care about yourself
2 years ago
SageFlame​(sub female) - These are similar to my thoughts and I revisit them often. I have also found that being honest to the point of vulnerability requires trust. Sounds like a no brainer but I don't trust easily. It doesn't simply happen because I think I should. The other person needs to demonstrated kindness , openness and patience consistantly.
Consistancy is a strong piece to a thriving connection. Not perfection but that between you there is a sense of safety to let go and be your true self.

And YES! The possibilities are expansive.

Sink into this moment.
Enjoy it.

The discovery will happen as long as you are seeking.
2 years ago
rosethorn​(sub female) - Ive had a similar realisation with the vulnerability and trust.
2 years ago
SageFlame​(sub female) - Awesome!!
For me going past the head knowledge to understanding and experiencing feels like the universe came closer and expanded at the same time. Need new words to describe.... or new language.
2 years ago
rosethorn​(sub female) - Yes like you can trust and just be in the moment
2 years ago
SageFlame​(sub female) - Nothing compares
2 years ago
rosethorn​(sub female) - We need new words. Not many have patience do they
2 years ago
WhatamIfightingfor​(dom male) - Or maybe to reclaim the lost words? The problem of instant self gratification.
2 years ago
rosethorn​(sub female) - True. Instant everything.
2 years ago
WhatamIfightingfor​(dom male) - i still enjoy my instant noodles from time to time.
2 years ago
SageFlame​(sub female) - Variety not polarity
2 years ago
OraclePollon​(sub female){NotYours} - You forgot one. People like to live in their "house of cards" and only let in those who won't damage their fragile sensibilities. Even here, just look at the forums and any perceived negative conversation (or hard truth) post is not only torn down, but the poster is attacked even if they aren't objectively for or against the statement, they are seen as the harbinger of that stance and their character is then attacked. Makes it hard for us "devils advocates" to even care enough to try and broaden perspective. I ask myself often, why should we?
2 years ago
rosethorn​(sub female) - I know how that feel myself, that's why i got the name thorny. People didn't like it but i stuck up for myself and got labelled as difficult.
2 years ago
WhatamIfightingfor​(dom male) - i got really good at ducking and covering, and asking, "is is worth the risk, or should I just move on?"

The problem with online is, we are in our homes frequently when we talk, and yet, so is everyone else, but e do not always grasp that we are in separate houses, but houses none the less. So we are in the wrong emotional space when talking online quite frequently.
2 years ago
rosethorn​(sub female) - That's very true. Also you can't read body language
2 years ago
SageFlame​(sub female) - We can't broaden anyone's perspective. That is part of a personal journey. We CAN offer testimony and share.
If Socrates kept his mouth shut were would we be? He spoke up because of what he believed in. If we believe in truth we should not remain silent.
2 years ago
rosethorn​(sub female) - There have been times where i have found things out and my whole world view shifted 90 degrees. What makes some accept the information and new world view and others find it an affront to their very being is interesting to me
2 years ago
SageFlame​(sub female) - Timing

I used to run from and deny many things. Once I was able to take hold of concepts or awareness my brain did a rewind to those times I bawlked at the same things.

Negativism is projection. It's not about you. Still, no fun to be on the receiving end of " your full of it" even if you know their regurgitating their own constipation.
2 years ago
WhatamIfightingfor​(dom male) - i am just used to the struggle of coming to an understanding. That struggle may be hard, but the reward the understanding is normally worth it.
2 years ago
rosethorn​(sub female) - It might not actually be about you but goddamit its like the im going to hate you for life
2 years ago
SageFlame​(sub female) - Statistically speaking their are typically 40,000 people who would cheer and agree with you. Imagine that sound drowning out the naysayers and negative-neds.
2 years ago
OraclePollon​(sub female){NotYours} - I mean, you do have to find a certain satisfaction in it.
2 years ago
SageFlame​(sub female) - ** they're 🙃
2 years ago
Bunnie - Oh the pain of it. Imagine after a few years :/
I’ve realised I can no longer discuss topics on forums. I duck in, blurt my piece and run. So disheartening to think that it’s been this place and the select few pitchfork holders that have created that.
2 years ago
rosethorn​(sub female) - Thanks to everyone for commenting. Xx
2 years ago

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