Do men really like women?

Literate Lycan​(dom male) • Apr 28, 2025

In the spirit of conversation, dialogue and learning, from my experience which might only my experience, I would position that many feminine traits are admired and respected by good men and women. I have never seen inherent weakness in any feminine traits of my mother or my sisters or my nieces, nor many of my female friends. Especially those who choose to be what they are, whether that is Domme or submissive. Many a Domme are extremely feminine and fantastic. Several of the Domme on this site I see as strong, intelligent and extremely feminine and I hold them in very high regard.

I agree that there are some, both men and women, who deride feminine traits negatively, but they don't see the beauty, wonder and absolute strength in women who can use their sensitivity and emotional health to great benefit for all parties. These are the same parties that paint all masculinity as negative and toxic. They are weak and have limited ability to understand. Toxic is toxic - whether it is masculine, feminine or narcissistic.

All parties bring something positive to the table, both masculine and feminine. Understanding that is good. Misunderstanding that is detrimental.

Now if you'd asked me about positive feminine qualities, I would point out easy ones for me - they are more empathic, more in touch with expressing their emotions than most men, they are more intuitive and more compassionate. There are many more, but those come to my mind first. If you'd asked me how I would immediately apply an improvement to that trait in myself, I would laugh at you for being foolish as I'm not feminine. But in the same sentence, I would nod and agree that my mother taught me compassion and to be empathetic towards others, and I seek out those who are also caring. It makes me a better man. Which in turn helps me to display my emotions more readily with friends and loved ones, which in turn improves communication which improves many, many things. It was only later in life that I realized my father was just as compassionate and caring as my mother was towards others; however, his position wasn't to display that as he held another role as defender and protector. That was their dynamic. My mother allowed him the luxury of hiding that to the public while she offered the compassionate, caring face for both. They were a damn good team.

Good discussion, although it's rapidly sliding off the Original Posted question. Apologies to the OP.

Knightsundere​(sub male) • Apr 28, 2025

Good men and women are the exception to the OP's question I think, but otherwise I agree with you on everything.

In my mind, there's no such thing as gendered traits, because anything positive is going to be something that both genders can possess. As you say with your father, his compassion and empathy are present in just the same way as your mother's, so to consider those feminine traits (not you personally consider, but just in general) is kind of pointless to me, personally. And vice-versa with traditionally masculine traits like persistence, courage, bla bla. To get back on topic though, the values associated with those traditionally masculine qualities are I think the root of what the OP would be seeing (and I see a lot myself) - when what's desirable is generally considered masculine, and generally undesirable feminine, it's not going to be surprising when women are considered the lesser gender. Again, good people are the exception to such mentalities but, it is definitely noticeable in some parts of modern male culture (manosphere bullshit, most obviously).

Literate Lycan​(dom male) • Apr 28, 2025

Thank you for the discussion Knightsundere. I don't think good men and women are the exception. But I don't have data from any studies performed.

I would add one thought: When men don't like women, it probably has more to do with traits that are not feminine and probably not masculine either. Those men might simply be jerks or the women are. Or both. I think most straight men who like women prefer the feminine traits. But again as I've indicated, that's my experience from where I have lived my life.

Feminine traits are feminine traits. There is nothing wrong with saying that. Many men have feminine traits. And many women have masculine traits. Sometimes in varying degrees. (My father had compassion but my mother was much more natural at demonstrating it) It makes them no less than what they are. They are traditionally viewed as feminine or masculine which doesn't mean they are for everyone. So live the best life ever with whatever traits strengthen you and give you satisfaction. But they are what they are.

As for the various traits, it's interesting in this lifestyle that we espouse we can have Dominants/Dommes who have all the traditional masculine traits and that is what the submissives desire. Just like there are those with feminine traits that the Dominants/Dommes desire. They are just words to establish a starting point for chatting. Submissives want a Dominant leader with strength, courage and conviction but I'd guess many of them also want one tempered with compassion and empathy to support their needs. Just thoughts.

Miki • Apr 28, 2025

It took me a while to decide if I want to weigh in on this, partly because it's subjective at times but mostly because I don't give a damn what people think about me, so my opinion might seem to be skewed.

I behave as I was raised, I abide by rules and societal norms, and I mind my own business, even if someone (M/F) standing in front of me in a line smells like ass or has a booger on their upper lip.

My point is many men I run across like women just fine without sexuality or the possibility of same. Many more of them than obnoxious, hairy-knuckled primates.

So what I want to say is "Please define 'like'."

Whether we... like ...it or not, whether it's "correct modern thinking" or not--- men and women feel and act differently. That's hard-wired, non-revisable fact. So: Sexuality aside, is it you (RHET) see men who don't like women, or do you see men who don't like women the way women like to be liked?

Everyone has a hand in whether they are liked or not. Some more than others but the fact remains, it is a two way street.

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Speaking for myself and my experiences, I don't care if a man, or another woman for that matter, doesn't "like" me a certain way.

All I give a flying flock about is that we can get along,---coexist as neighbors--- work together on the job as professionals, Period.

Kelpi • Apr 29, 2025

I have found these past few days that the older the man the more they do not like women. It could be they just can't seem to find one now they are older who want them or it is just they are sour old bastards who wish for younger days.

SageFlame​(sub female) • May 2, 2025

It is always about the self. Hate or dislike is a projection.

When we fully accept our past, and develop a sense of self free from shame or judgement there is no reason to hate or dislike anyone else.

New slut owner​(dom male) • May 3, 2025

I think it is likely we have all found ourselves in relationships with people we don't really like. I know I had a few, that I liked in bed, but no other time. That is not a relationship that is ever going anywhere. Same I am sure can be said about both sexes.

Thankfully I have a partner I love that I very much like outside the bedroom who happens to be a great lover and we gel very very well in our kink likes as well.

intenseoldman​(dom male) • May 3, 2025

Wise words. Self-hate IS projected on others. You can't love anyone if you hate yourself and you can't love yourself if you can't accept everything you are: the good, the bad and the ugly. When you see it in others you should see it in yourself, and you either treat it with wise compassion, or disgust, depending on your level of self-acceptance. Thanks SF!

Re: Do men really like women?

RaunchSadistMaster​(sadist male) • May 3, 2025

I have plenty to say on this subject.
I posted it online at https://authorhouse.haus/4ibsvXi
so you can read it and weep!

Hypnosubmaker​(dom male) • May 5, 2025

TopekaDom​(dom male)
1 week ago • Apr 24, 2025
Yes, they like to fuck them, but really women scare the hell out of men.

From bleeding once a month, to being smarter than men, to being more organized than men, and the ability of giving birth, women have have a huge advantage of men. And other than needing semen from us, women really don't need us."


The first statement about being scared of women seems more like a projection than objective fact.

As for women being smarter , that is dependant on the individual and what area of intelligence or skill we are talking about,

The last bit made me laugh . Other than being really vulnerable during pregnancy and needing someone to provide for them and protect them from predatory animals (I'm talking tribal societies not the modern bubble of civilization )
Yeah women don't need men if they want to live in a society without plumbing , electricity , agriculture , safe drinking water, roads, wifi communication, fire service, modern buildings, cars, waste disposal.
Know any women who are oil rig bolt stranglers do you ?