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2 years ago. October 17, 2022 at 7:28 PM

I had to correct someone as intersex about trans and intersex being different this is what I explained...

 

Hello friend, I don’t know you personally and I think you may have some misunderstandings about me. I want to make this clear as you are well aware there are many intersex conditions and how those are expressed, how people and their families interact with said experiences, and what if any treatments are given, (without consent or requested) is different for all.

 

With such a range of experiences it isn’t uncommon for some intersex people to see themselves as trans or a cis heterosexual. Intersex is an umbrella term that covers so much and this reddit tries to make it comfortable for all who wanna have discussions and a safe space for intersex people, our allies and people curious.

 

 I’m intersex I’m sick of feeling ashamed of my biology, here is the summary of my story. I have two conditions CAIS and Persistent Mullerian ducts. When I was born my family originally put me in foster care because they weren’t even sure they wanted me, for better or worse they did decide and opted to correct me as a male child which is almost unheard of in the case of my condition.

 

I didn’t know about my intersex condition growing up, but they would often tell me I was male on the outside but female on the inside but what I did know for sure is anytime I showed any interest at all in female toys, behaviors, or activities I would be abused.

 

To spare the details it was pretty grim while this was going on they were forcing me to see doctors and take treatments to try and masculinize me, the medication unable to do much of anything just would make me sick. I would beg and be afraid because it just was getting to be so much. During most of my schooling children would make fun of me for being so pale, sick, and weak which was a direct result of this treatment.

Finally I had enough, as I started growing breasts and not showing any signs of masculine development for puberty I demanded that I’m female and I didn’t care they needed to respect that.

Well there response was to send me to an all boys school and shave my head where I was sexually harassed daily for being FtM eventually this led to me being assaulted where males just apparently needed to see me naked.

 

The day my torment ended wasn’t because of my families love or understanding it was that I had developed a period despite the treatments and the doctors refused to give me male treatments with my protests.

My family so angry they neglected me, and tried to keep pleading with me they want what’s best from me being male on the outside female on the inside was a gift since the way women are treated will make my success impossible since so much is already stacked against me.

 

I didn’t care and the abuse continued so much so both my father and mother lost custody, and my mother fled the state due to her stabbing me. I didn’t care to pressure charges. By 16 I was a homeless independent minor and finally I had a say and that say was to correct the mistakes that were inflicted upon me.

 

I am not, nor was I ever trans. My body was meant to be female and my family tried to do unspeakable things to mold me into what they wanted for me, instead of letting my own agency take the point. Yet due to the abuse I am uncomfortable being female, I am ashamed of my body, I hate at how simply being a female, has cost me my entire family and the church I was brought up in. I want you to know I view gender as separate from sex I am gender fluid although I lean female because it is who I am. 

 

I exist and my truth is just as valid as yours or anyone else’s. There’s a reason I say this is philosophical some would argue the fact my family tried to raise me as a male and I am now female I am trans. I say that’s horseshit because if it wasn’t for my condition I wouldn’t have pushed so hard because nothing was making sense from a physical sense I was deeply ill and had to have corrective operations done to fix what they did to me or else I could have died because periods.

 

LET ME BE CLEAR : I am not saying some intersex people don’t use or want trans as a label as a part of their process.  I and many do not feel its valuable for us, I am a friend to trans people in fact I have argued that Trans people should have more self-determination if doctors will provide operations and hormones on intersex kids from birth, or in early childhood who don’t want it why not let someone convinced of who they are have fair access.

 

I am with you in the fact that Trans people and Intersex people have overlap but I disagree in terms of condition. For me the overlap comes down to the rights of body autonomy self-determination and the way some people stigmatize both communities for simply existing.   There is a reason many intersex people don’t wanna talk about it or be open it is because they want relatively normal lives and seek approval from the medical establishment and heteronormative culture. I agree it might never be possible but I respect that is what they seek.

 

As for me I am a moderator here (on intersex reddit) , I volunteer as a board member of Oii America the largest intersex organization in the world, I have counseled many intersex and trans people, I currently work as an EMT on my way to medical school. I hopefully as a medical professional established can advocate for better treatment of trans and intersex peoples, AND FINALLY my personal desire I studied martial arts since I was 7 due to abuse and never wanting anyone to hurt me again.

I had a broken foot there was concerns about my bone density so my doctors did a bone density composition scan it came back perfectly normal bone structure and density for a female. When I got those results I cried and cried because for years I refused to compete in sports for fear the fact I am intersex would somehow be used against me. Sure anyone who knows anything about my condition would know I had no testosterone advantage shit I don’t even produce it never have as far as I know.

 

 Then it hit me I could finally compete at the champion level I am in a Taekwondo studio that just came back from worlds winning 9 world cup medals in Slovenia.   https://itftkd.sport/event/viii-taekwon-do-world-cup/

Since that moment of my bone scan I have been training on average 4-6 hours a day often until my hands are bleeding and I’m ready to puke. I robbed myself something I loved my whole entire life and I’m not gonna do it anymore. How can they ban me legally, medically, birth certificate its all Female and medically every test shows normal female and I haven’t had an ounce of testosterone in years which even if I had it would have no effect and now with this bone density scan what’s the objection that I have a Y chromosome that does nothing?

That I was raised as a male till 13 and somehow that privileged me. LETS FUCKING GO WORLD I’m tired of being afraid to see what I got vs the best of the best.

 

Nice to meet you now you know me the one and only!

Bunnie - Thank you for sharing your story, it was really sad and beautiful and informative and eye opening. I’m so glad you’re finally able to live as your authentic self. Good luck with your Taekwon Do!
2 years ago
IceGirl​(switch female)Verified Account - Thanks its unique Bunnie physically I'm no different then any other female but the let down to my family that I didn't respond to treatments.

It kinda made me feel really bad about being a female like wow just because my body and I are female were garbage all of a sudden and I'm stupid because I am tried of being sick all the time.

I am am much better about those things the stuff I'm working on is how to allow myself to just be comfortable if that makes any sense.

Like i never wear bikinis or other feminine clothing for example because it feels odd to allow myself to express that side of myself.

Also my body is highly attracted to men and I never experimented even. I almost had sex with my best friend 3 weeks ago but he couldn't get it up because he is outta shape it was disappointing to say the least.

Since then hes made it really awkward. So don't mix friends and sex when it comes to guys got it lesson learned.
2 years ago
Bunnie - It’s been a big journey for you. I’m kind of excited for you… so much “new” you to explore :)
And yes, working on learning to allow yourself to just be comfortable, makes perfect sense to me… I can relate to that a lot. My motto is to just keep following the breadcrumbs… it’s all learning about acceptance of yourself no matter which way it takes you. *hugs*
2 years ago
IceGirl​(switch female)Verified Account - I made a post in part because we were talking and ai updated my picture to what I looked like before I got SA. I don't know bunnie my lifes a lot for me to handle sometimes.

I am working on it though and this time when i get my body back to where it should be I'm gonna enjoy being sexy as sin.
2 years ago
SirsBabyDoll​(sub female){Pizza+☕}Verified Account - So a third of your chromosomes are Y, big deal. You aren't the first, you won't be the last and you're experiences can help make a better world for those who are just starting to come to grips with the diagnosis.

What matters is YOU, being YOU, in all your YOUness.

I live with a FtM but when I met them, I never knew they were trans. Why? It wasn't just the looks (which are almost neutral) but it was the ADDITUDE! So he doesn't have all the correct body parts, right now. To me, it doesn't matter. They are male.

I often joke with him that when all the souls were lined up, awaiting a body, his male soul got.imlatiemt and jumped the line so landed in a female body. He cracks up every time.

I hope that someday, you can find the inner peace to allow yourself to love your ENTIRE self, heart, mind, soul, AND body. ❤️
2 years ago
IceGirl​(switch female)Verified Account - Its very hard to love myself I only started even masturbating 2 years ago because having a female body just kinda freaked me out not because I had issues 51% of people are born female doesn't matter that I ended up having a female body for a different reasons.

Note 33% of my chromosomes aren't Y i think your getting it mixed up with people who are XXY and even then it isn't 33% because sexual selection chromosomes are only 2 of the 46 thus 44 chromosomes are the same thus technically 1/46th of my chromosomes are male.

Not trying to sound jerkish just been kinda something Ive studied non stop since i found out i was intersex at 16.

Now in my 30's one of the reasons I was asked to join the board at Oii is because of my extensive understanding of intersex from a medical science perspective.

So I was trying to educate a little because you're awesome trying to make me feel better!

In my case what happened is that wjen the baby is developing to become male it needs testosterone or else it defaults to female my body doesn't have the ability to respond to testosterone thus no signal to develop as a male.

This is also why i have very exaggerated almost comical female body proportions.

40 E/F breast 37 waist 44 hips. Before i put on a bunch of weight due to getting sexual abuse due getting roofied it was more extreme.

When people ask you or encourage you to try modeling when your not even fully comfortable with the fact your physically a woman it was annoying.

But now i lost 40 pounds in 5 months I wanna get my body back and enjoy the shit outta being female.

I'm tried of the self inflicted abuse. All the doctors who tried to show me sympathy growing up that there was nothing they could do or whatever fuck em there was nothing they should have done. I'm a female whats so bad about that?

Maybe to many males your man included thats horrible but for me my sex and gender line up for the most part.

Thank you for your kindness and support you're rocking!

2 years ago
SirsBabyDoll​(sub female){Pizza+☕}Verified Account - "In my case what happened is that wjen the baby is developing to become male it needs testosterone or else it defaults to female my body doesn't have the ability to respond to testosterone thus no signal to develop as a male."

Excuse me while my not so subtle science nerd brain fangirlscreams, cause that is some fucking COOL AS FUCK COOLNESS!!!! The human body is DUCKING AMAZING!! (FUCKING! I SAID FUCKING YOU OVERGROWN CHILD OF AN AUTOCORRECT DOM!!!)

Yes, I was getting the genetics mixed up. I hope you realize that now that I know there is a difference, I'll be spending the rest of the night reading medical journals to explore it! THIS is how *I* masterbate! 🤣🤣
2 years ago
IceGirl​(switch female)Verified Account - Your one of the fucking Coolest people on earth to be honest!

Nah I am just obsessive compulsive and the human body/ development is very interesting in my opinion.

If you did masturbate to a medical journal Id be like woo your one wild Chick!

Thank you for knowing I was just trying to just share some nerdy shit if you knew me one of my nick names growing up was the professor because I always wanted would add information.

You could spank me for being a smart ass of you like lol. Lots o love.
2 years ago
SirsBabyDoll​(sub female){Pizza+☕}Verified Account - You DO realize I'm a Brat, right? If I'm spanking you, it'll be with wet noodles and it'll be a food fight! 🤣🤣
2 years ago
IceGirl​(switch female)Verified Account - Nope just met you can be as bratty as like Sweetie I'm just kidding around back. 🤣
2 years ago
SirsBabyDoll​(sub female){Pizza+☕}Verified Account - *grabs the wet noodles, loads the nerd gun and stalks the big-titted around back*

*Cackles* "I'll get you, my pretty! You and that little dog too!" *Cackles*
2 years ago
IceGirl​(switch female)Verified Account - Man you're so awesome 😎
2 years ago
SirsBabyDoll​(sub female){Pizza+☕}Verified Account - Ok, so just started reading...

Based on my whooooole 5 minutes of reading, would you be classified as "complex or undetermined Intersex"?
2 years ago
IceGirl​(switch female)Verified Account - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complete_androgen_insensitivity_syndrome
2 years ago
IceGirl​(switch female)Verified Account - https://medlineplus.gov/genetics/condition/persistent-mullerian-duct-syndrome/#:~:text=Description&text=Persistent%20M%C3%BCllerian%20duct%20syndrome%20is,which%20are%20female%20reproductive%20organs%20.
2 years ago
SirsBabyDoll​(sub female){Pizza+☕}Verified Account - Hahahaha! Medline is where I was reading! 🤣🤣

PubMed is also a great nerd haven!
2 years ago
SirsBabyDoll​(sub female){Pizza+☕}Verified Account - Ok, so help me out here:

How can you have PMDS ANNND CAIS at the same time. It seems like they are comete opposites of each other....or, does the CAIS cause the PMDS?

*Side note: OOOOUCH! "The vaginal cavity will be shallow"???? Um, yeah! Sex WOULD hurt! Duh! (Hmmmm...maybe you just need to find a man with micro penis syndrome. They say there is someone in this world for everybody!)
2 years ago
IceGirl​(switch female)Verified Account - Its not shallow I can fit a normal sized dildo in terms of length my issue is with I normally don't put thing more then my fingers in so I have a girth issue.

What causes CAIS and The other condition are different issues its a bunch of science stuff they are not opposite one has to do with the reception of testosterone the other has to do whats known as mullier inhibiting factor which didn't clearly get released which yes makes it co morbid.
2 years ago

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