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6 months ago. May 9, 2024 at 6:29 PM

consent

noun
permission for something to happen or agreement to do something.
 
verb
give permission for something to happen.

 

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Informed consent

 

is a process of communication between you and your healthcare provider that often leads to agreement or permission for care, treatment, or services. Every patient has the right to get information and ask questions before procedures and treatments.

 

Now before anyone scratches their head too hard I realize I'm using a medical term in an unrelated field, (Personally, I think the medical field and the lifestyle have a lot in common but that's a random thought for another time.) but hear me out. Consent is just the act of getting permission. In the lifestyle, there are a lot of gray areas. Let's take for instance the act of grooming. Let me give you a scenario. 

 

A sub and a Dom are getting to know each other, both are attracted and both are interested in continuing to get to know one another, flirting. The sub is new and still learning and is very interested in learning to be a good sub and what that means. The Dom wants to start a dynamic but the sub feels unready and communicates this. The Dom is amenable. They continue to communicate and flirt. The Dom begins sending tasks and things for the sub to do, in the name of educating the sub in the submissive lifestyle. They aren't bad or dangerous, just simple tasks.

 

Now let us take this apart. The sub is looking to learn. They have come to a Dom to learn. The Dom is willing to help the sub learn. The Dom becomes wanting of a dynamic and states that. The sub is not interested in a dynamic. The Dom begins giving directions.

 

Now.....

 

The sub has given consent to be educated and the Dom is trying to do that, however, the Dom is also grooming the sub. They could be completely innocent and be grooming the sub to be a sub, or they could be grooming the sub to be THEIR sub at a later date. Consent was given but not INFORMED CONSENT. The sub is lacking information that they probably don't even know they need. Just like a medical doctor, the Dom has knowledge and expertise that the sub has no idea about. The sub did not agree to a course of treatment. They have no idea what the course of treatment is, they don't know if a course of treatment has started and they don't know what the goal is for that course of treatment.

 

As knowledgeable Dom's we have a great deal of power to do harm and I think we need to recognize and confront that daily. I think we need to think beyond simple consent and practice informed consent. Safety for both partners is the MOST important thing and I think in the above scenario both parties are in danger. The sub could be unknowingly walking into an unsafe situation and the Dom could be setting themselves up for heartbreak. Deep, crystal-clear communication is imperative and I think it could help the community if we looked at our tenants in deeper and more meaningful ways.

 

I hope you dream of lovely dragons.

Susie Q{Daddy Ant} - 1000%agree
6 months ago
IDreamOfDragons​(dom male) - Thank you for reading!
6 months ago
Literate Lycan​(dom male) - Interesting perspective. I liked the beginning and the end. But I'm having issues with the application as you described. We are all adults. Some older than others (in some cases mentally but in some cases not so much - I tend to act pretty immature at times). It's very important for ALL members to be intelligent and perceptive in making our decisions, especially in who we take lessons from or even give lessons to. Prior to a dynamic, both parties have the same responsibility to communicate openly their interests and their intentions and to be informed. As you indicate at the end, the submissive could equally be setting the Dominant up for heartbreak if he puts the efforts into their communications and she winds up running to the newest flavor of the week.

I tend to believe if they both indicated their interests - if he said he wanted a dynamic and she said she wasn't ready, they are both informed. She knows his intent. He knows hers.

But back to your point, I do agree we need to be informed. Very much akin to the Federal Trade Commission and the Informed Consumers Act. The information should be out there (Maybe we should wear labels). What the consumer does with the information is up to them. So in getting to know each other, both parties should put out their intentions so they can both make informed decisions. (This is why the initial stage of getting to know someone should take a while) In the end, both have a responsibility before entering into a dynamic. That is why it is a power exchange. "Let the buyer beware." Yes there are conniving individuals and narcissistic persons who will take advantage and be less than forthright or honest, but they are not Dominants nor submissives. They are vile representatives of society.

In my mind your example above is like, you ask a friend to watch your house. Your friend implies they'd prefer to steal everything in the house instead and sell it to buy a furry costume. You say, "I just want you to watch my house, I'm not ready to be robbed yet." and you give him your keys. The next time you see him, he's in a Care Bear costume. You were informed. You just made a bad decision.

I do appreciate the intent of your blog and I hope I haven't slid it askew. I do apologize if I have. Have a great evening.
6 months ago
IDreamOfDragons​(dom male) - Thank you for reading.

As far as my intention. I think you understand most of it but what I think I need to emphasize is that this is not the dynamic of an experienced sub and an experienced Dom. They are not equal. One isn’t sure how to proceed and the other knows how. One doesn’t know what questions to ask or what boundaries they can ask for. The example could be reversed for a new Dom being taught by an experienced sub. When there is that gap of knowledge then we can’t just assume consent covers everything, with that gap in knowledge and experience then we must practice informed consent.
6 months ago
I'mME - What you've essentially done is turn a sub into a mindless creature. Why? They don't have experience, well, considering that every generation after X has been in the technological age, I don't know why that is even a thing.

They may not have experience, but they can read, they can join some groups, they can listen to some podcasts, they can talk to other subs, take a class, etc.

This idea that subs are at a disadvantage creates the mindset that subs are incapable and that couldn't be further from the truth..

Maybe I'm not a sub, though. Hmm..
6 months ago
IDreamOfDragons​(dom male) - Thank you for reading.

I understand your perspective of my words but that was not my intention in any way. You advocate for self education and I agree with you. That is a wonderful tool, however is it a honest stance to say that while all people could self educate that all people DO self educate? There is also another problem. As an educator of over 30 years, students never ask questions or seek answers if they don’t know they don’t know something. This is why we have human educators and don’t expect students to teach themselves.
6 months ago
I'mME - It's my experience that reading is very beneficial, as an educator, would not agree?
Plenty of blogs out here cover basics, beginning D/s. Nobody knows what they don't know. But, we all have this inner voice, somewhere along the way people decided to ignore their little voice. It has thousands of years of evolution behind it. It just used to be different dancers than ones today but it still works.
Immediate gratification has become the name of everything.

It's sets a bad precedent for subs to not take responsibility for themselves.
6 months ago
IDreamOfDragons​(dom male) - Agin, what do they know to read? To not read? There is a great deal of bad information out there, how would they know the difference between bad and good information. No as an educator I would not tell a potentially new sub, “Oh just go read about it." as you seem to be advocating for. I may be wrong but it seems that you are putting the full responsibility for education on the uneducated. I’m sure you do not do that for traditional education, why here? It’s almost victim blaming. “Yes you got hurt, but it’s your own fault. You should have known better. There is information out there. You should have known how to navigate it.”
6 months ago
I'mME - *No as an educator I would not tell a potentially new sub, “Oh just go read about it." as you seem to be advocating for. I may be wrong but it seems that you are putting the full responsibility for education on the uneducated.*
You don't like what I wrote the first time, okay. That's not a problem, could have agreed to disagree or left it as is. Nooooo, instead you have intentionally chosen to reframe, rewrite, pick a word, what I wrote.
I was very clear and I gave several choices for resources.
For the record, I don't believe I have ever seen a sub in all my time put out a bunch of malarkey about what submission is, how they view it. Surely, as a Dom, you would not do presume to tell a sub, no you're wrong, that's not what submission is. That would imply your idea of a sub is the only thing permissible.

*I’m sure you do not do that for traditional education, why here? It’s almost victim blaming. “Yes you got hurt, but it’s your own fault. You should have known better. There is information out there. You should have known how to navigate it.”*

This is all made up in your head, I didn't suggest it, write it, think it, or anything IT.
My comment revolved around taking some initiative (a grown up stance) and doing some work on their own.
Your entire response back to me is nothing more than a type of gaslighting.








6 months ago
IDreamOfDragons​(dom male) - None of that was my intention nor what I feel that I wrote. I am sorry what I wrote has upset you so much. It seems to me all I wrote about and have been writing about was keeping people safe. I’m sorry you disagree with that. You are allowed your perception of events and findings. I’m sorry this has upset you so badly. That was not my intent.
6 months ago
trappedperhaps​(sub female) - I hope I dream of lovely dragons too
6 months ago
IDreamOfDragons​(dom male) - I really hope you do too!
6 months ago
flitter'fly​(sub female) - The old saying comes to mind.
"If i only knew, then what i know now.

i do so, understand what You are trying to convey.

Thank You
Nice Blog.
6 months ago

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