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(If you understand this, you've earned my eternal, undying friendship. You're never getting rid of me now - sorry)
4 years ago. February 2, 2021 at 1:51 AM

At any given time, I have approximately 3.14 questions bumping into my singular brain cell (give or take a few if I'm feeling extra frisky); I thought that I might write some of them down in hopes that a couple kind and wonderful and beautiful and intelligent people might have an answer to one.

...did my flattery work?

 

 

1) What in the ever-loving bejeezus is "sounding"? I have come across that term in many a profile, always listed as a limit, but have never seen someone actually talk about it and explain what that is.

 

2) What exactly does needle play entail? How... do you play with needles? Does that mean to give someone a piercing of some type, or something completely different?

 

3) Is getting a brand/tattoo of a partner common, uncommon, or practically unheard of (in your experience/opinion)? Could it be, or is it, considered almost like a super-duper permanent collar? Is it more often a territorial/ownership type thing, or more often a sign of commitment? Do you have an opinion on them - for or against?

 

4) If you have a collar, has someone ever noticed it or approached you regarding it? As in, has a stranger ever walked up to you whilst grocery shopping and said "So... you like getting spanked, eh?"

If so, is it fairly obvious what it is, or is it more of a day collar/necklace?

 

5) In your own personal experience, are your limits something that you've tried and didn't like, or something that you will not try/know that you won't enjoy? A combination of both?

(This obviously doesn't apply to things that are illegal or morally indefensible; you would think that those would just be a given)

 

6) How does one go about public play without bringing, well, the public into it? If you're outside around people who haven't consented to your scene, how does that play out?

 

7) If two switches are in a relationship/dynamic, how is it decided when each person will be the Dom or sub? Does it just happen naturally and you go with the flow? What if both people are feeling submissive at the same time, or vice versa?

 

8) In your personal experience/dynamic, does your role carry over into everyday life? Say you're a Dominant - if you're in public with your submissive, do you still act dominant towards them (and they respond the same as always), or are you just "normal" people? "Normal" isn't the word that I'm looking for here, but it's the best I can think of at the moment. Non-BDSMy people.

I don't mean this in the way that you'd make them drop to their knees on the sidewalk, rather if it's clear that you're always the one in charge, regardless of circumstance/whereabouts.

 

9) Sadists - is there a certain level or amount of pain that you enjoy inflicting, or is it the response in your partner that you're looking for? If you poked one person with a stick and whipped the other until they bruised, but they both gave the same response due to their differing tolerance for pain, would that still be satisfying for you?

 

10) Do you believe that the dynamic/lifestyle is more important? Do you believe that a lovin', touchin', squeezin' relationship is more important? Do you only find appeal in a dynamic, or does building a relationship with your partner before the dynamic create a stronger, more powerful bond (in your opinion/experience)?

 

11) Have any of you watched the movie "365 Days"? Did you find it as horribly awkward, bordering on unwatchable, as I did? I don't know if it's because it was just an unbelievably bad movie, or because I was so uncomfortable I would've preferred crawling out of my skin to watching it again, but I laughed through the entire thing.

Both, is the answer to that.

Are you lost, baby gorl? 

 

12) People that actually like celery -   ...why? 

 

13) Do you remember the line to be "Mirror, Mirror on the wall..." or "Magic Mirror on the wall..."?

I've always remembered it to be Mirror Mirror, but that is, in fact, incredibly incorrect.

Inconceivable.

Bleiz​(sub female) - I'm not sure why I like celery, but I've eaten some every day for the past 2 weeks. ?
4 years ago
HeyLittleOne - It's great that you like it so much, haha!
I absolutely love vegetables, but that is the only one I just can't stomach ??
4 years ago
Bleiz​(sub female) - I think I like the crunch. ???‍♀️
4 years ago
SirsBabyDoll​(sub female)​{Pizza+☕}Verified Account - Sounding is the insertion of a rod I to the urethera of a person of the male persuasion. It's like sticking a dildo in the pussy....

4 years ago
HeyLittleOne - Oh! That is... oh!
Whatever people like is what they like, fine by me - personally, I can't imagine that being very comfortable =P

Thank you for explaining ?
4 years ago
SirsBabyDoll​(sub female)​{Pizza+☕}Verified Account - You can Google it...medically, it makes sense why it would feel good.
4 years ago
Bleiz​(sub female) - My first day on cage someone sent me a video of them doing it. It was interesting.
4 years ago
Jack in the box -
"Welcome to the cage" right? Lol
4 years ago
HeyLittleOne - Maybe it's different for males? I was hospitalized a few years ago, and let's just say that I did not have a whole lot of fun with something like that ??
4 years ago
SirsBabyDoll​(sub female)​{Pizza+☕}Verified Account - As for needle play...Tara is the best person to talk to...she posted pictures recent.

https://thecage.co/blog/userblog.php?postid=48611&blog_id=95018
4 years ago
HeyLittleOne - Wow! That wasn't what I had pictured, but it is really cool looking!! I've seen a lot of people do that, just never put the two together for some reason.
Kinda makes me think of body suspension but on a much, much smaller scale.

Thank you for sharing that with me!
4 years ago
Jack in the box -
You keep using that word - I do not think it means . . . .

Hold on - ☝
gotta make another tea . . . .
4 years ago
HeyLittleOne - With or without iocaine?
4 years ago
Jack in the box -
Doesnt matter, ive built a tollerance ?
4 years ago
Jack in the box - # 1 - as SBD explained.
It can feel very intense and very . . . ?
Intrusive? Nerves that otherwise never get directly stimulated. Psychological aspect as well.
# 2 - needle play is an art unto its own,
(I knew a girl into hook suspension - check that shit out. ?)
# 3 - branding is practiced is certain circles but I wouldnt say common - I feel it is like the ultimate commitment to someone. (Speaking of having a specific brand, not just playing with hot metal)
# 4 -

hold on . . . My fingers running out of ink . . .
4 years ago
Jack in the box - I shoulda went
# 4 - I t nk t dep ds o. Wh you ar ta
4 years ago
Jack in the box - # 4 - I had the idea (and design in the making) of a collar that could/would be recognized as what it is - and differences to denote various stages of engagement. Seems a good idea, right?
Personal experience? Nada
# 5 - both
# 6 - theres places/ countries where pretty much anything goes - public nudity, etc. In the more conventional sense, discretion is a must. You can play in such a way that someone could assume whats happening, but not actually see. There are also clubs and private parties - (thats a thrill you wont soon forget. ?)
# 7 - they just beat the shit outta each other. ?
4 years ago
Jack in the box - # 8 - pretty much the same
# 9 - still satisfying? No. I have a level I like to be able to . . . ? enact? Inflict.
Ive had subs that really wanted to push limits beyond what I was comfortable with, and ive had subs where I was like "um, hun . . .I havent even gotten it out of the drawer yet. ?"
4 years ago
Jack in the box - # 10 - ?
I spent many years trying to suppress that side of me - Love was/is always my hearts desire. I felt that was contrary to love. I have learned that side of me will never go away - the desire always arises eventually.
If I were forced to choose only one?
?
Pass

# 11 - havent seen it
# 12 - with crunchy PB. ☺
# 13 - same
4 years ago
Jack in the box - * addendum to above statement - have I ever felt truly loved? ?
4 years ago
slaveMikayla​(sub female)​{MstrJ } - That is a conversation I've been having the last week. I think at least for myself we experience love in levels... I've been loved, but I've rarely if ever truly been ** appreciated, accepted, desired, understood. If I have been then I've npt been THEUR heart's desire. Some part of me has been lacking, or vice versa. It isnt love that has been lacking it is acceptance/compatibility.
4 years ago
Jack in the box -
(God I hope I passed - ive studied my ass off!)
4 years ago
HeyLittleOne - 1) That puts it into perspective a bit more! It sounds like it could be kinda painful, but I suppose that would just add to whatever that person may be feeling
2) Hook suspension is terrifyingly beautiful!
3) I imagine that "ultimate commitment" could be a wonderful way to explain that - I feel similarly about it as well
4) I think that's an excellent idea! Not only would it be more special having been designed and made by your partner, but also a great way to make sure others have no doubt about tour relationship
5) Makes sense ?
6) Thank you for explaining - I was really curious how something like that might work
7) Often the best way to deal with things
8) That makes sense as well ? I wonder if that's most often the case with people who are in a full-time dynamic, rather than a session here or there
9) Thank you for providing your view on that! I obviously can't understand it from your perspective, so I've always been curious how some people feel about that
10) Absolutely no need to choose one! We are who we are and that should never have to be suppressed - I certainly wouldn't want to have to make that choice
11) Lucky you
12) That makes it exactly 0% better
13) Why do we all remember it that way? ?

C+
You had the right answers but didn't show your work.
4 years ago
Jack in the box -
But thats passing, right? ?
4 years ago
Jack in the box - Whew!
4 years ago
Jack in the box - # 12 - edible spoon. ?
4 years ago
HeyLittleOne - I just marked you down to a D for the attitude, Mr. Box.
I also removed your gold star from the Good Noodle board.
4 years ago
Jack in the box - ?
4 years ago
Jack in the box -
I wish I was a moji - wouldnt that be fun?
4 years ago
HeyLittleOne - All I can imagine is the Alice in Chains album cover, haha!!
Unfortunately it's not an emoji, but I made little stickers of myself that I've never once used =P
4 years ago
Jack in the box -
Fun blog Ms LittleOne - thank you. ?⚘
4 years ago
Jack in the box -
You should totally paste them all over the place! ?
4 years ago
HeyLittleOne - You're very welcome - thank you for answering them ?
And I think that a Michael Myers sticker would be less frightening than one of those ?
4 years ago
Jack in the box -
I think its a great idea - id be running around the world slap'n them baby's on everything -
Wwhhppp - Face! ?
?
4 years ago
slaveMikayla​(sub female)​{MstrJ } - Me: "May I ask a question? ... No... well... three. I have THREE questions... ...... for now."
Him: "Haha. *For now.* Ask your three questions for now. ^__^"
And he knows full well there will be at least 30 more. (I love U/us)

1) What in the ever-loving bejeezus is "sounding"? I have come across that term in many a profile, always listed as a limit, but have never seen someone actually talk about it and explain what that is.
~ Sounding is the insertion of an implement into the urethera. It is usually a metal rod. It has a medical purpose but can be an INTENSE sensation. It can be used in females, but it is more often used with males. Please only consider doing this with someone who has a medical background or demonstrable knowledge. It can be dangerous.


2) What exactly does needle play entail? How... do you play with needles? Does that mean to give someone a piercing of some type, or something completely different?
~It CAN mean piercing (assuming you mean a permanent piercing) but by definition a piercing just means breaking the skin with a needle... so YES it usually means piercing (unless you are doing a mindfuck scene with fear play and needles in which case the THREAT of a needle, or the reasonable belief that a needle might or is being used when in fact it is NOT would still be needle play. ex.... bondage, blindfold or to the unseen portions of the body. numbing agent used like ice and then using dialogue and other physical sensations to make the submissive believe a needle is or will be used when in fact it is not. )
Needle play can be using acupuncture needles on up to any reasonable gage needle to any part of the body whether it be permanent or temporary.


3) Is getting a brand/tattoo of a partner common, uncommon, or practically unheard of (in your experience/opinion)? Could it be, or is it, considered almost like a super-duper permanent collar? Is it more often a territorial/ownership type thing, or more often a sign of commitment? Do you have an opinion on them - for or against?
This one holds weight for me. It depends on the circle you run in. It can be a sign of super duper permanence, or it can just be used as a collar, or it could be an affirmation of the relationship itself or ....
one I've never seen on here mentioned (again, different circles) if you have a SIN # (Slave identification number attained from the consensual slavery register) there is a bar code attached to this number and it can be and has been used as a tattoo which can be personally reaffirming of the identity of self as slave. Again, different kinks for different folks.
Have I considered it? YEP. I'm terrified of needles. Like.... run out the room screaming fucking out of my mind terrified. However, part of my own submission values doing *ridiculously hard thing* for my person BECAUSE it is ridiculously hard. So this is one on my bucket list.
Along these lines and to expand your horizons there are a few that ... if this is in your mindset are typically the decisions .... The conversation between like minded folks who want permanent modification as a mark of permanent ownership runs between: tattoo, scarification by cutting, and scarification by burning (branding). I know I heard the screams of WTF from the peanut gallery. YKINMKBIOK. I have had this conversation with two people in my life. Luckily I never went through with it in either case. In one, because he had supposedly a medical background though now I VERY much doubt he did. And given the tools he had safe and reliable access too, we had intended to go the branding route. This was a huge freaking terror and leap of love for me because I am a burn victim. On the funny side, I ended up ACCIDENTALLY burning myself in a scene we did and joked at the time well, maybe that will be the permanent mark and I just got it over with. Yeah, it did scar. Yes, I do still have a little oval scar on my right hip from that scene. It was my stupid, not his. I walked into a badly placed incense. I personally prefer the precision of a tattoo or a cutting vs a branding. In any which case, please note that it will take time. Most cuttings have to have parts redone on occasion, and there is no guarantee how a brand will come out.
I think my love of this came from watching Fancisco and Cassandra work towards it openly for years. She, like me, had a terror of all things related, but she, like me, considered it one of the most real and tangible ways she could do *hard thing* for man who earned her love and trust every single damn day. It was wonderful to watch her be so proud of it in the stages they went through doing it. I also loved that he created the image and he placed it on her with his own hands.


4) If you have a collar, has someone ever noticed it or approached you regarding it? As in, has a stranger ever walked up to you whilst grocery shopping and said "So... you like getting spanked, eh?"

If so, is it fairly obvious what it is, or is it more of a day collar/necklace?
~I have an anklet that I still wear which has an o-ring. It is discreet, but not tiny. I have had several people comment on it directly in the US. It has lead to wonderful discussions. Uusually it is women who will directly have the conversation. It, for me, has been when one will smile and point and then show off her own. It has been a *I see you* moment. If it has been a man who has noticed he has struck up a conversation and then dropped a word or phrase to see if I reacted to it. Example: a man I was petting his dog asked me if I'd like to take a walk around the pond (I was out for a walk) and in the conversation we were discussing jobs... he had told me his ... i had shared mine... then he told me about the most unusual job his friend did as a professional submissive i could either have taken the bait or played dumb. I went for the conversation and we ended up walking and talking for HOURS and having a lovely dinner together.
My necklace collars have all been unidentifiable except to someone who KNOWS. The most important of which had a DDlg symbol.

5) In your own personal experience, are your limits something that you've tried and didn't like, or something that you will not try/know that you won't enjoy? A combination of both?

(This obviously doesn't apply to things that are illegal or morally indefensible; you would think that those would just be a given)
~My limits are things I have tried more than three times over a span of time and do not respond to in a safe way. My view on a slave's limits differ from most. My soft limits are things I have not tried and thus do not THINK I will respond to well. Please note there is no mention of enjoy there. I have PLENTY of things which are not interests of mine because I would not enjoy them... but a limit has to do with my own safety: mental, emotional, or physical.
Limits change dependent upon the relationship and the time.
I have looked at a partner before who expressed a sincere and deep enjoyment of a kink that was a soft or hard limit... looked him in the eye and said "like this"? and proceeded to walk straight into and through it. Those happen to be some of the BEST memories of my life because again *hard thing for person I love* = fuck yes please. "Good girl" earned.


6) How does one go about public play without bringing, well, the public into it? If you're outside around people who haven't consented to your scene, how does that play out?
~Are you IN my house this week? HAHA!
How do I love discrete public play... let me count the ways. Seriously though, there are a billion ways that are only limited by your own creativity. Hidden toys, creative clothes, intentional choice of location, location, location. Self control. Obedience without hesitation. Awareness of self and others. All of these elements are necessary.
Protocol can be used anywhere at any time, always. This just takes intentional perfect communication.
Hidden toys are never a fear.
The rest just takes planning. If you need ideas please message me, I'll be happy to walk you through a few hundred.
Most creative experience thusfar: I've played at Disney ^__^ ............ a few times. No, not because I'm a Liddle, but because I happened to be there because I love going there and I was with my Dominant and we both loved discreet public play. YES we were beyond over cautious about being 100% unseen. 10/10 would do again, please.

7) If two switches are in a relationship/dynamic, how is it decided when each person will be the Dom or sub? Does it just happen naturally and you go with the flow? What if both people are feeling submissive at the same time, or vice versa?
~No idea. Good luck with that one. I've not got a Dominant or switch bone in my body.


8) In your personal experience/dynamic, does your role carry over into everyday life? Say you're a Dominant - if you're in public with your submissive, do you still act dominant towards them (and they respond the same as always), or are you just "normal" people? "Normal" isn't the word that I'm looking for here, but it's the best I can think of at the moment. Non-BDSMy people.

I don't mean this in the way that you'd make them drop to their knees on the sidewalk, rather if it's clear that you're always the one in charge, regardless of circumstance/whereabouts.
~Yes. This is who i am, this is what I enjoy. I have no desire to be in a relationship where it is part time. Can we "drop role" YES, but the respect NEVER goes away. He or She is my Dominant all days, in all moments, in all ways. How we express that just ramps up or down dependent upon the circumstance.
I'm a big lover of hidden protocol. I'll tell you, it is very very easy to get away with even using title in public if you are creative. My ex-Master was "Beloved" when I could not get away with "Master" "my Lord" or "Sir" at the moment, but "yes, Sir" is perfectly acceptable being I'm southern 99 days out of 100.
I still rmemeber how hard one of my former Dominants laughed listening to me talk to my mother and hearing me say "Yes, Maa'am" ... I was like >.> Whatchu laughing at? "You know EXACTLY what." "I'm SOUTHERN it is called MANNERS!" "uh huh." ...
or more recently "Mrs. name" re his mom. "You can call her *name*" "No no. No no no no no. Let me give you an education on Southern Manners, Dear... there is NEVER a time i will EVER call your mother by her name. It's called manners." (I do believe his mom heard about this and kinda loves me a little because of it ^__^)



9) Sadists - is there a certain level or amount of pain that you enjoy inflicting, or is it the response in your partner that you're looking for? If you poked one person with a stick and whipped the other until they bruised, but they both gave the same response due to their differing tolerance for pain, would that still be satisfying for you?

~Great question. *points to blog I wrote on this and asking it of a Sadist myself.

10) Do you believe that the dynamic/lifestyle is more important? Do you believe that a lovin', touchin', squeezin' relationship is more important? Do you only find appeal in a dynamic, or does building a relationship with your partner before the dynamic create a stronger, more powerful bond (in your opinion/experience)?
~I am a lifestyle slave hearted submissive. I do not desire a vanilla relationship. HOWEVER, I would never want a lifestyle relationship that was not founded in love, acceptance, appreciation, care etc. So for me, it all goes hand in hand. I need to love and appreciate the Dominant and feel loved and appreciated by my Dominant before I can kneel with any desire or authenticity. ... in short... cuddles ahoy!


11) Have any of you watched the movie "365 Days"? Did you find it as horribly awkward, bordering on unwatchable, as I did? I don't know if it's because it was just an unbelievably bad movie, or because I was so uncomfortable I would've preferred crawling out of my skin to watching it again, but I laughed through the entire thing.

Both, is the answer to that.

Are you lost, baby gorl?

~huh? Never heard of it even.

12) People that actually like celery - ...why?

~It's a texture thing. i prefer texture over all... so I love celery. I love the crunch. I love the slight bitterness or sweetness depending upon where in the bunch it is. I will fight you for the middles!

13) Do you remember the line to be "Mirror, Mirror on the wall..." or "Magic Mirror on the wall..."?

I've always remembered it to be Mirror Mirror, but that is, in fact, incredibly incorrect.

Inconceivable.

~Fezek I do not think that word means what you think it means.

~Faith
4 years ago
HeyLittleOne - Let me just start by saying thank you so very much for your reply!! I truly appreciate that you took the time to provide such thought out answers, and that you connected them to your own personal experiences to allow for a better understanding.

1) Thank you for the warning on that; I don't see myself partaking in the near future, but it is useful knowledge for everyone nonetheless =D

2) I had meant a permanent piercing, yes (should've specified). I'd never thought that it could be used as a psychological tool like that, but it makes a lot of sense when I've heard of the same thing being done with knives and such.

3) Something like an SIN had never even crossed my mind when I've thought about this. Thank you for bringing that up, as like you said, I haven't seen it talked about either.
I believe that a permanent marking is an incredibly special gesture to make for your partner, and I can only imagine the true significance that it would have if done in the face of such terror that you explained.
"However, part of my own submission values doing *ridiculously hard thing* for my person BECAUSE it is ridiculously hard" is the best way I've heard that feeling explained - I feel it myself. A pure sign of devotion.
It would be absolutely beautiful to have a tattoo designed and placed by your SO. As I mentioned in an earlier comment, something that is created by your partner holds more significance anything else.

4) Thank you very much for sharing your story - it sounds like it was a special moment in time to be able to connect with another like that, especially over something so personal.
It's going to sound silly, but I have a LOT of band shirts that I absolutely adore, and it almost feels like a bonding moment when a stranger comments and says that they like the same band. I've never had a collar, so that is what I can best equate that feeling to in my head. Just a special moment between two strangers.

5) People, from what I've seen personally, don't often speak regarding their limits, so I truly thank you for helping to give me insight as to how some might feel about them. Its really interesting to hear about your experience with doing something even though it was a limit; I imagine that must feel quite rewarding, so long as you didn't have a severely negative response to it.
If you don't mind me asking - has there ever been a time where you pushed through a limit like that, and afterwards came to find that you no longer considered it a limit (or as severe a limit as it may once have been)?

6) I have been incredibly curious how people work around public play/discretion, so it is really nice to have it explained so well. What I'm learning is that, often times, public play isn't PUBLIC public, meaning that the participants know what's happening but nobody else does. Theoretically, you could get caught, but you take the precautions to ensure that doesn't happen.

7) Neither do I, haha! I guess I'll just stick with Mr. Jack's answer for now =P

8) That was phrased beautifully - perfectly clear. I feel the exact same way, so I truly appreciate hearing it laid out and explained as you did. I gather that full-time dynamics often follow that same pattern, where they stay in their roles full-time as well. I feel like that would provide such a safe and secure feeling.
You are very much lucky that you come from a place where manners are so common and valued!! I always use my manners and show respect, but if I called someone Ma'am where I'm from, I'd probably sprout two heads with the way people would look at me. I'm lucky if someone holds a door for me =P
I'll need to think about those discreet titles.

9) I will take a look at your blog - I'm darn well curious to hear more about this.

10) Also explained beautifully! With a dynamic such as you've explained, I can only imagine that you need to feel that security and love in order to be fully secure and trusting in the dynamic as well; I'm sure that it would lead to an unimaginable bond, as well.

11) My recommendation: keep it that way. I was hearing about it everywhere and eventually was just too curious not to watch it.
Awful. Just awful.

12) I absolutely, 110% agree with you on texture, but I will forfeit the fight for the middle of celery before the bell even rings. Nu-uh, no thank you, no howdy.

13) ...I'll use small words so that you'll be sure to understand, you warthog faced buffoon.
??

Thank you again for your reply! You've given me a lot of insight that I truly needed, as well as some things that I need to think about ?
4 years ago
slaveMikayla​(sub female)​{MstrJ } - Bigger reply coming. <3 hugs in hugs are accepted <3
4 years ago
HeyLittleOne - Biggest huggies ???
4 years ago
slaveMikayla​(sub female)​{MstrJ } - "5) People, from what I've seen personally, don't often speak regarding their limits, so I truly thank you for helping to give me insight as to how some might feel about them. Its really interesting to hear about your experience with doing something even though it was a limit; I imagine that must feel quite rewarding, so long as you didn't have a severely negative response to it.
If you don't mind me asking - has there ever been a time where you pushed through a limit like that, and afterwards came to find that you no longer considered it a limit (or as severe a limit as it may once have been)?"

hi hi! Sorry last night was a busy night ^__^ (good things)

oh you BET. Now... warning this is going to include personal details about topics that a lot of people consider a hard limit. Though again, I think that is moore because they have nooooo desire to engage in it/ it holds no interest rather than "this thing will cause me harm (not hurt) mentally, emotionally, or physically.

So.

Two examples:
#1 i had a partner in the past who after a fun scene in debrief I asked a very "me" question: "Is there anything you've never yet experienced or tried that you do desperately want to do/try?" He looked at me sheepishly and said yes, but it was in my limits. I asked what it was and he told me ass to mouth. Now... mind you, one of the things we had been doing was a bit of anal play which I was just getting used to. Me being me... I looked him in the eyes and said: "Like this?" and proceeded to put implement we had been using into my mouth. The look on that man's face and the exhale was just *priceless* and perfect and completely worth it. As a result I realized that it was not, indeed, a hard limit DEPENDING upon the attitude and mentality surrounding it. If it was seen and experienced as "fuuuucccckkkkk that is HOT!" It is a positive to me. If it is a part of anything negative and degrading it is NOT ok and is a limit.

How do I know?
Scenario 2:
also real.
I was meeting a Dominant I did not have a long standing relationship with, but it was an opportunity that I couldnt pass up. We werent a great match, but we had good negotiation skills and were able to work out something that would seemingly be worth it for us both. I'd vetted him and knew him to be safe and real. i'd spoken to people who had played with him who could also be verrified etc. His mentality and mine did not even really match up... but it was what it was. In the lead up to our scene he informed me repeatedly that he would "ask something of you (me) you (me) won't like." I replied that was more than fine so long as it was within limits.
In the middle of the scene all was going great until he asked me to degrade HIM. .... I had been deeeeeeppppp into subspace and loving every minute of what was going on and suffice to say this person I had NO emotional connection to AT ALL... I literally threw my nekked ass on top of him in a hug crying and asked who hurt him and repeated over and over and over that I would never EVER do that. ..... yeah... not the reaction he was looking for. Everything stopped and we had a conversation. It was not a want of his, it was a NEED. For him to get anything out of the scene he NEEDED this. He KNEW Humiliation and degradation were hard limits of mine but for some reason it did not follow for him that they would be hard limits for me to engage in providing them :/
Me being me we retured to separate corners for the night and I did not sleep. I spent the night working out how i could meet this need of his. I put my game face on and the next day i succeeded.... oh boy howdy did I. However I was not prepared for the fallout after. I was angry with myself. I felt very disappointed in myself in my ability to think of and SAY the things i said. I felt sick. I felt INAUTHENTIC. Most of all... I'd walked right the fuck on over my own limit and i KNEW it. And i'd done it for someone I had no attachment to.

A year later i discussed this with like minded slave hearted submissives elsewhere and I idenitified myself as a "dangerous submissive" for this reason. Because i WILL and have walked right on through my own limits with no reasonable belief that it was safe to do so. For that reason I absolutely WILL NOT ever play with or deal with a person (Person) who I have not determined is capable of respecting my limits and boundaries, no matter who that person is, or how simple that interaction may seem.

More to the point, however, is the fact that engaging in that humiliation play was indeed detrimental to me emotionally and mentally. It IS a hard limit in the truest sense. I understand about myself that no action on the planet is innately humilliating or degrading. Actions are actions, it is the mentality of the people involved that determine if it is humiliating or degrading or affirming and positive.

I can clean a floor and it be an expression of my love and an affirmation of my care and consideration for myself and my Person. I can clean a floor and it can be the most humiliating and degrading experience because of the mentality of myself and my partner. The same is true for all things. Watersports are not watersports are not watersports. Scat is not scat is not scat. It is not the ACTIVITY, it is the MENTALITY.

~and that is just who and how *I* am. <3
4 years ago
HeyLittleOne - There is absolutely no need to apologize!! I am eternally grateful that you have been so open and willing to help me understand some things better ♡

In regards to the second scenario, I'm trying to understand why he wouldn't communicate with you about what he was going to ask. The element of surprise can add to things, yeah, but that (in my opinion) seems kinda careless when he knew that it was a limit of yours in at least one form. Perhaps it was because he was unsure if you would back out after knowing about it, but then that would be even more of a reason to talk about it beforehand, no? I just don't seem to understand why he would spring that on you in the middle of a scene KNOWING your limits, even more so after you expressed that something you wouldn't like was fine "...so long as it was within limits."

It is entirely understandable why you reacted the way that you did afterwards, having not only been pushed outside of your comfort zone, but then completely outside of your limits the next day. Please do correct me if I'm wrong or out of line, but that seemed irresponsible on his part as well, to put you in that position in the first place.

It is nice that you were able to learn that about yourself, though I am truly sorry that it happened in the way it did. If you feel that a person isn't someone you can trust to stay within your boundaries, and to help YOU stay inside your boundaries, then I certainly agree that it is better to avoid the situation altogether.

If you don't mind me asking (again =P), how do you determine the mindset of someone else before actually engaging in the activity? Your first scenario, for example: that was a limit for you, but you decided afterwards that it was okay simply due to his response. How did you make the decision that he would respond to it positively as opposed to it feeling like a degrading action?

As for the blog post, I do look forward to reading it! I know that we cannot generalize anything about anything, but I am curious to hear/learn more from a different perspective - be it one person's or ten =)

Thank you so very much for taking the time to talk with me ?
4 years ago
slaveMikayla​(sub female)​{MstrJ } - Of course! Conversations like this are the ones that actually lead somewhere. What is the POINT if we dont use what we have learned to help spark understanding in others?

My post about Mr. John and his helping me understand at least a little about the mind of *one* Sadist, and myself as a Masochist. https://thecage.co/blog/userblog.php?blog_id=60944&postid=44829
Hopefully it is helpful or at least entertaining!
4 years ago
slaveMikayla​(sub female)​{MstrJ } - Regarding the situation with the Dominant we will call GM for these purposes... I'll say that he was one of the best people I ever dealt with. From start to finish he was FANTASTIC. Though we did not mesh on any level at all, we both respect and appreciate eachother.

How can that Be?! It went sideways didn't it?
It did. However, this one isnt a story of someone taking advantage or endangering another. It was simply a learning moment for us both, and an example if how things CAN go sideways even if people "do it right."

From go:
I met him and vetted him with previous submissives and his own community. I knew who he was and verrifiably where he worked. I called his offie before we met (the public number) and was able to ask for him *by name*. So i was relatively safe in this. I had a safe call and people who knew where we'd be meeting and who I would be meeting.
We negotiated out the scene as far as what was on the table and what was not. I wanted to negotiate for sensation play, specific protocols, a go at a specific type of impact play, and a few things I'll not discuss openly. He had specific things he wanted to negotiate for which ... I was amenable to. I like the element of surprise. I need to NOT walk in with a play by play because inevitably if I do, it wont live up to expectation.

We negotiated and discussed extensively up to including safe words, warm up, getting to know you type ice breakers and aftercare both short term and long term.

His telling me he would ask me something I wouldnt like was part of his play. He enjoys a mindfuck. He also wanted to test the waters with my own mental space.

The scene itself aside from asking me THAT was completely excellent. Truly. He was awesome. He was communicative. He was direct. I had no doubts as to what was expected or how it was going. I never once felt unsafe. He was amazing. Even and especially his handling of that situation was more than FAIR and safe. He stopped immediately. We talked. He was open. He was honest. In no way did he pressure me, he just made me aware of where he stood and why. MY decision to waltz my ass over that limit was my own. It was a learning experience for me. I LEARNED.

After we parted ways we did what we had agreed... we talked three times about the scene afterwards. He wrote up his own take on what went well, what didnt, and what he would like to see for me as a submissive in my growth moving forward. I did the same. We swapped and then asked the questions we needed. We each wrote out questions for the other and answered them honestly. Finally we both wrote eachother a commentary on what had happened and our experiences.

In all of that back and forth I understood that it had literally never occurred to him in the YEARS he had been playing that a limit of humiliation and degradation for the submissive could also apply to them dishing it out. It had never come up or been a problem. I know for sure that he had made the same request of others (after) and it was not an issue for them. HE learned something. I learned something. This is a positive outcome.

Do i consider him a bad Dominant? HECK NO! He is an amazing man who is knowledgeable in what he does, and I have recommended him to others after myself. That said I have also kept my ear to the ground and been sure that he took the lesson and applied it in the future. He HAS. He now has a question he asks regarding limits. Once stated he then follows up and asks: is it a limit for receiving, giving, or both?

For myself, i learned to make sure i DEFINE humiliation and degradation for anyone to whom it would matter, as those terms relate *to me*. I also learned that i have to be careful of any "pick up play" I do, because I am easily swayed in this way.

Could someone else define him as a "Dangerous Dom"? Sure... they could... but I'd ask them if they do not consider intent in their judgment. Ever action he took to me screamed of his intent to Do No Harm.
4 years ago
slaveMikayla​(sub female)​{MstrJ } - "9) I will take a look at your blog - I'm darn well curious to hear more about this."
I'll dig the post out tonight <3 but just like there are limitless submissive mindsets, there are limitless Dominant and Sadistic mindsets too... so I dont think we CAN generalize. I can only speak for Mr. John's mindset and what he helped me to learn about myself in relation to how I view masochism and myself.
4 years ago
slaveMikayla​(sub female)​{MstrJ } - and for your last question (thusfar) keep em coming if you need!

"If you don't mind me asking (again =P), how do you determine the mindset of someone else before actually engaging in the activity? Your first scenario, for example: that was a limit for you, but you decided afterwards that it was okay simply due to his response. How did you make the decision that he would respond to it positively as opposed to it feeling like a degrading action?"

Boy howdy is that a GOOD one!!!

Ok, so first let's define humiliation and degradation shall we?<<<<< FOR MEEEEEE>>>> I define degradation as the feeling that is in someone else's mind. Someone else can degrade me inside their own mind. i can not see this or know it. Humiliation happens in MY mind. No one can humiliate me, it happens inside myself.

It's like the difference between give and receive, or teach and learn.

So I can list activities which would likely humiliate me, but no one can GUARANTEE I will not FEEL humiliated by something because no one is a mind reader! So I expect my Person to never SEEK or intend to cause me to feel or experience humiliation. Example... if someone laughs at me or calls me a name... they did not MAKE me feel humiliated, it is MY feeling ... but their actions would reasonably give rise to that feeling. Correcting me in public will humiliate me, but that is not necessarily true for all people.

Degradation happens in the mind of the doer. Only they know the thoughts and feelings their actions and words provoke in their own mind. If something they say or do causes them to lose respect or view me as less than my worth in their own mind, this is degradation. I can NEVER see into their heart or mind and know for sure, but there are clues to look for.

For example... one man can call me a "dirty little slut" and that would make me feel GROSS and terrible and humiliated and i could KNOW he was degrading me based upon his eyes, his stance, his tone of voice.... everything about it would feel very negative to me.

The exact same words from another person can be said from an absolute place of PRIDE and almost awe at the thing that caused that expression. I could never 100% know what is happening in his head... but his eyes, his tone of voice, his demeanor towards me and the feelings it engendered inside me based upon all that would NOT be humilliation, but a mirror of that displayed feeling.

Another easier to follow example:
I enjoy and appreciate the humility and absolute LOVE and respect shown by removing my Person's shoes and socks when he comes home. I appreciate the same in kissing the instep of his foot. This is NOT me expressing "I'm lower than your feet" This is me saying "THANK YOU" for all you did outside this house for me and us today. *points to image on my profile of a man being brought to absolute tears of overwhelm at the sight of his bride washing his feet.... THIS... how could i EVER feel degraded by THIS?

Whereas the same action if it is done in front of someone who takes it for granted.... who expects this is my job because he shouldnt HAVE to touch his shoes .... or worse... in his mind believes that I'm so lowly that I belong under his feet.... YUCK. Yuck yuck yuck. Pass.

But that is ME... there are plenty of submissive souls who enjoy and crave these emotions. I'm just not one.
4 years ago
HeyLittleOne - Everything that you talked about made perfect sense to me! I don't think that I have any more questions for the time being, as you have answered all of the ones I asked, and ones that I didn't even have to =D

I truly, from the bottom of my heart, thank you for helping me further my understanding. I have no personal experience and I haven't heard much in the way of other peoples experiences, at least not as openly as you have discussed them, and it has really helped to give me a better sense of some aspects of the lifestyle.

It was really beneficial to hear you talk about the incident with stepping over your limit. I have always had trouble saying no or fearing that I may disappoint someone, so there have been many instances where I've allowed myself to take a one-way flight outside of my comfort zone - rarely has it ended well. To know that you have experienced a similar situation and found a way to avoid/overcome it is incredibly comforting.

I have a metric butt ton of growing and learning to do, so I thank you so very much for helping me along my way with that ♡
4 years ago

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