Die for your woman.

simplylaura​(sub female){djinni} • May 5, 2021

No. Just no. My godson is definitely not a product of heterosexual sex. He's the product of donor sperm and his two mothers love. Hetero is no longer the "norm", but merely a sexual orientation on a broad spectrum of sexualities. It is the most common, bit it does not make it what all norms should be based off of. Heterosexuality is far from the norm in the world of kink, particularly.

That said, I think this thread is ridiculous. Men spouting off about dying for women is old fashioned and silly. Even if I wasn't a gold star lesbian, I sure wouldn't want my partner going on about how he'd die for me. Do I love my partner (fiancee/Dominant)? Absolutely. Would I do whatever I could to save her life? Absolutely. Am I going to stand here and announce loudly to the world that I would die and kill for her? No fucking way. She's a big kid and a lot tougher than I am. I also couldn't picture her doing the same. And I sure as hell don't want anyone dying for me. I'm also a big girl who can stand up for myself. My feminine sensibilities are not offended by protecting myself.

And no. Western men this is not the end of you. I'm sure there are women who, for reasons unknown to me, want this kind of attitude. However, it is a sign of a less patriarchal society that fewer and fewer women want this. And thank God for that.

L a r s​(dom male) • May 5, 2021

Your godson is the result of sperm in a vagina. My point stands.

If we are being very generous, about 10% of the world is not hetero.
Hetero is normative. It always will be. Western traditiins, like all traditiins, are flawed, but are not something to be thrown away because they marginally inconvenience some of you.

You can cut the glib sense of superiority over women who enjoy traditional relationships.

simplylaura​(sub female){djinni} • May 5, 2021

And you can kindly fuck off and never tell me what to do. Superior? No. Confused why a modern woman would choose to be with someone like you.

simplylaura​(sub female){djinni} • May 5, 2021

To follow up, now that I'm on a computer-

My godson was not the product of anything to do with heterosexuality. He was the result of sperm, which quite easily could have come from a trans woman. Yes I'm being pedantic, but it's because your'e so caught up in what is traditional. There is no such thing as a binary when it comes to sex and gender. Don't throw chromosomes at me because how many genetic combinations exist besides XX and XY? It's not nearly as simple as you want it to be. Time to catch up.

Second, before I start getting shit on for being a man hater, one of the people I most respect in the bdsm/Leather scene I am a part of is a straight presenting, cisgender man. Who is a burly manly man. Who has a female submissive in what appears to be a traditional M/s relationship and vanilla partnership. I respect him and his relationship because he doesn't believe that just cause he has a dick that swings he needs to be all showboaty about his masculinity. He treasures his slave, but he also knows she'd run screaming for the hills if he ever started with this bs. And this is because he is confident and secure and nontoxic in his masculinity. And thus people love him and respect him, and he quickly gained my trust. I don't hate me- there are just a lot who I think are problematic. There are problematic women for sure, but since this thread is about "men dying and killing for poor womenfolk" I figured I'd stay with the dudes.

Third, I stand firm in my assessment of you, and women who feel like they are required to be in a relationship with men who need to "assert" their masculinity through notions of violence. I think women deserve far better than that. They can have a secure power exchange relationship with the same kind of ideals without the dickswinging.

SageFlame​(sub female) • May 5, 2021

**Amygdala** still functions same as always.

Opinions are not right or wrong they are simply opinions. We are all here because we divert from societal norms. Not because we conform.

Perspective is a point of view last time I checked. All perspectives are valid.

Attacking someone's point of view is not assertive it is aggressive and will put anyone on the defensive.

I don't need you to agree with me but from were I stand -

Everyone deserves to be treated with kindness and respect. We can forum peacefully without conforming . It's okay to just disagree; healthy even.

And don't call me pollyanna or I'll get pissed.🙃🙄😬 ( I have an amygdala too)

simplylaura​(sub female){djinni} • May 5, 2021

Yes but/and... Opinions can be things like toppings on pizza or about specific political bills, football teams, etc. Someone's existence as abnormal is not an opinion. Nor is the existence of a spectrum of sexes. I'm all for different opinions but attack my "normality" and it's on like Donkey Kong. (To be clear, I'm abnormal af but my existence is shockingly normal).

shahh • May 6, 2021

Your point stands nowhere. There was zero to do in this thread about a sperm and a vagina. Would you like to source your 10% theory? It's a popular stat but 80% of stats are made up. 65% of people know that Also...that 10% stat was driven by those who openly admitted to being "gay" from the 80's and in the States I believe. (Where you could be fired without cause and yadda yadda....aka...an entirely unsafe environment) If you asked today with the plethora of orientations and freedom of sexual expression with 0% chance of having your career or life threatened based on that answer ...I suspect the number would be much, much higher. Most things in nature/reality follow a bell curve with the vast majority of things existing in the grey. I'll let you ruminate on that. No one said anything about throwing away whatever traditions you want to personally adhere to. And a "marginal inconvenience" is about as dismissive as one could be in this topic.

To the OP. Die for your woman? I'll overlook the possessive nature of "your woman" and say ...depends on the circumstance.

cerealKiller​(sub female) • May 6, 2021

In a heartbeat. When I find Him. 😆🙈

DrWakko • May 6, 2021

Nope I wouldn’t die for your woman.

I haven't died. Pretty sure it is not easy.

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