Any no sexual contact before marriage Christians?

SirsBabyDoll​(sub female){Pizza+☕} • Oct 10, 2022

Holy crap!!!!

I was raised as a Jehovah's Witness and this discussion, INCLUDING dollMakers perspective, is astounding to me! I had NEVER KNOWN that there were books that were disputed/left out of the Bible!!!

I believe that if dollMarker had Not participated, had NOT mentioned his conflicting perspective this causing you to mention that To it had been part of the Catholic cannon, I never would have known there was a difference between the Catholic and Lutheran Bibles!

I thought they were all the same! I thought the differences in the faiths were just differences in interpretation! This is fantastic!!!!

ControlYourHole​(dom male) • Oct 10, 2022

Oh yeah there are even disagreements within different Protestant groups about whether or not several books should be included…then let’s not even get started on the “which translation is best” wars😂 (hint- no English translation is perfect so for many words it’s best to use a concordance & see what Hebrew or Greek word the English is translated from, then look up a detailed definition of the original word). There’s a couple examples of words that get TERRIBLY misunderstood in English versions that have to do with sex that I can think of, I can go into this a bit after I’m off work if anyone is interested🤓

SirsBabyDoll​(sub female){Pizza+☕} • Oct 10, 2022

I'm no longer a Witness but I prided myself on at LEAST having a working knowledge of every major world religion (to the point of describing myself as the "UN of World Religions"..lol). I don't think I've ever been so gigglie over NOT knowing something!

For me, learning something new new is akin to an orgasm....so thanks for the group sex guys! 🤣🤣

ControlYourHole​(dom male) • Oct 10, 2022

I’m glad you got out of JW, I’ve heard of some pretty awful stuff happening in that organization. The members I’ve met are very friendly but I think the watchtower leadership is working for the “other team” all the way.

On another note, this thread is very cool to me, seeing that there are other people interested in the Bible on the Cage. Now I wanna start a thread to discuss/respectfully debate if polygamy is still good for Christians today (I’ll be on the yes team all the way😜) lol. Some folks are gonna be shocked when they learn about how state-enforced monogamy started as a pagan Roman custom👀💀

SirsBabyDoll​(sub female){Pizza+☕} • Oct 10, 2022

While polygamy is supported by multiple world religions, I can tell you that at least in Islam, there are conditions.

1) You have to be able to provide for each other the wives EQUALLY. That means mentally, emotionally, physically, quality time, AND financially. Keep in mind that even today, a woman was given an agreed upon "dowery" by the suitor and that COULD NOT be taken back. This was done in order to provide for the wife in the event that she became a widow. It was her's to do with as she pleases.

It was mandated in order to care for the widows, orphans, and destitute during a period when many of the men had been killed during war. It was NOT simply for the purpose of getting extra pussy.

2) It was an ENM situation. If the first (or other) wives did not agree on the new addition, it was not allowed.

In many, many cases, it was simply to provide protection and stability to women and children who would otherwise not have that.

I am Muslim but for my own reasons, I cannot do polygamy or polyamory.

simplylaura​(sub female){djinni} • Oct 11, 2022

I grew up Catholic and thought I was saving myself for marriage. Then I came out to myself as a lesbian and realized that it's a lot easier to wait when you're not attracted to men. I respect folks who choose to wait but once I kind of deconstructed what I believed and who I was attracted to the right choice for me was to have sex when I wanted. Also, I was not able to legally get married until 2015 so for the first 15 years of my adult life marriage was off the table, and still remains off the table in most religions. I just got married a few weeks ago and am glad I didn't wait, lol.

I don't think there's anything wrong with waiting if it is a mutual, consensual decision that is not grounded in inequality. My college roommate chose to wait for marriage and is an atheist. Sex is highly personal and the choice of how and when to engage in it should be up to the individual, as long as that decision isn't coerced or based in gender essentialism.

dollMaker​(dom male) • Oct 11, 2022

The reformed denominations do not recognise the writings of the Apocrypha as inspired cannon scripture, following the Jewish Masoretic Text, therefore within bibles coming from that part of Christianity they are excluded. Judaism also does not recognise them as scripture, though the translation into Greek made in ancient Alexandria, by 70 Hebrew scholars by order of Ptolemy II Philadelphus does include them. This is known as the Septuagint. The Orthodox tradition does view them as part of the bible because of this.

Many in regards to Old Testament writings consider the Masoretic Text to be over all others in regards to accuracy and worth, so the Latin Vulgate and Septuagint are secondary sources, but are valuable. In bible translations the original texts are viewed as being the best sources, but even within Septuagint texts some of the writings in question are excluded.

There are those out there who view the excluding of books/writings as some sort of conspiracy to keep the ‘true bible’ from people, but the reality is simple, though the process to arrive at that point more complex. During the early periods of the formation of Christianity, the Church Fathers as they are known, debated the writings and their divine inspiration, many failed because it was very obvious that they lacked any divinity. It can easily be argued though, that the Church Fathers were not perfect in their process, after all among some rampant anti semitism was present, and replacement theology comes from this place.

Anyway glad to have offered some new insights.

Zelia • Oct 11, 2022

You’re married to Your sub?

SirsBabyDoll​(sub female){Pizza+☕} • Oct 11, 2022

@dollMaker,

What I found interesting in my research yesterday is the correlation between the Book of Tobias and the Apocrypha and Islamic teachings, such as Intercession and God hearing the prayers of the dead. For me, it means to pay attention.

It is MY hypothesis that the different religions as well as the languages were created by God (for me, it is a singular God), at the Tower of Babel. When the people couldn't communicate with each other, they separated and went on their merry way. That included the religion teachers. Since no ONE person can know everything about any one topic, they depend on group knowledge and when that group knowledge was split, some information was inaccessible to the religions leaders, so, when they encountered an issue, they had to take a best guess that would be reasonable.

To me, all the world religions used to be one religion. When I encounter "same teachings" from religion to religion", for me it means that THAT is the true teaching.

The Council of Nicaea....how can a religion's holy scripture be "divinely inspired" if it can be debated and written off on a whim. 🙄 I get the effort, but men and Man back then we're not known for their balanced, neutral, self-examination and honesty. They were power hungry, greedy bastards who had inflated egos.

I hold with a kinder, gentler God, thank you very much.

ControlYourHole​(dom male) • Oct 11, 2022

Thanks for giving the Islamic perspective on this. I agree that there has to be a foundation of love & support for all wives involved. The Old Testament has regulations on it as well (can’t take 2 sisters because they will turn into rival wives, can’t take a mom & daughter, etc).

I definitely agree that a polygamous marriage has to be much more than just a source of extra pussy for the man😂I know that I’d struggle to provide for 2 stay-at-home wives right now at age 26, so even though me & my wife want a 2nd wife (she likes both the homemaking help aspect, the more siblings for our kids aspect AND of course the threesome aspect since she’s bicurious😜) we will prob end up waiting till we’re in our 30s. Which is a bit of a bummer tbh, cause spiritually speaking I DO prefer to keep sex within the committed space of marriage, but there’s just so many beautiful & lonely young subs out there that we’re probably gonna end up training at least 1 or 2 short-term just to help them & have fun. So tbh I guess I really don’t count as a “no sex before marriage” Christian😂😂Given that in Biblical times every girl would be married right after her first period, there’s really no precedent for this weird modern situation where so many young adults are unmarried. “No sex before marriage” was easy for girls…..back when they were already married before their teenage hormones kicked in🤣