Kneeling next to Dom’s feet at restaurants...

AngelAtHisMercy​(sub female) • Jun 8, 2021

My Master and i do not involve those we do not know in our lifestyle. We find it rude as those in a restaurant cannot consent ahead of time to the event that is happening. It may not SEEM like a scene but it does involve other people to an extent. If the venue were kink friendly, i would be on the floor on my knees in a heartbeat. We do little things that make sense to us but no one else like he points to wherever he wants me to sit, he lets me look over the menu and tell him my preferences then orders whatever he wants me to eat any way. On days i am feeling bratty he will take away my knife, cut up my food when it comes and basically annoy the crap out of me "take your elbows off the table", "move your cup, you're gonna spill your drink", "quit kicking the pole", but that is no harm to anyone as it's just said so i can hear. i have to hold my annoyance in until we get to the car or home and God help me if i let it out then!

dollMaker​(dom male) • Jun 8, 2021

I am aware.

Leather men, gay kinksters were present at the very beginning of Pride, and possibly some took part in the Stonewall Inn riots. So its pretty likely kink, in the form of leather has been there from the very start, so to try and cancel kinksters from Pride, which some are trying to do currently is wrong in my opinion. I am off the view that in many cases kink is not a preference but an actual core part of people, so more of an orientation. But the battle for Trans people is not won, there are forces at work that want to remove the T from LGBTQ+ so I think currently the kink question is not as important as fighting for Trans rights and acceptance.

I think if its on an open public street, not like Folsom that has specific areas that are set aside, so open access, then there should be a mindfulness that minors might be present, so actual acts that are sexual should be absent, as should nudity, or costumes that reveal genitalia.

Mister Anderson​(dom male) • Jun 8, 2021

I live in a country where someone can walk into a restaurant with an assault rifle, lay is across the chair next to them, hang their red cap off the muzzle, and order a Salisbury steak.

If someone wants to kneel on the floor, what do I care?

SubtleHush​(sub female) • Jun 8, 2021

I3lush​(sub female)
"my question is does anyone themselves or know anyone who do this or at least TRYING to? Is this common? Would this be considered inappropriate? ( I can see how) I want to hear opinions...."
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More than frowned upon.

A long-time tenet in the lifestyle is SSC. (safe, sane, and (informed) consent) Any time you see people inforcing their believes, interests, or kinks onto a non-consenting public you have violated this tenet. There are people who look down on the vanilla world and like to rattle them. I find it immature and detrimental.

For some, it's performance art for the purpose of shock and awe. There was a kinky restaurant in NYC many years ago. It attracted a lot of kinky folks and now and then some of them would show off. One guy loved to stand his s type in the middle of the room and slap her across the face until it looked like she was going to pass out. Cool, fun, interesting? Nope.

This takes more forms than slapping. Pick a fantasy or porn video and you will find people who think THAT is what this is about. Naked women bent over for others to touch or poke. Women sitting naked in cars on the highway while the driver fingers them.

And while you can do whatever you want in your relationship and call it Ds Ms or kink. The minute you impose it on others without their consent, you are (in my opinion) mostly interested in shock and awe. You do nothing to benefit the lifestyle and while some will argue about mainstreaming kink, they are full of shit. This type of thing pushes us further back.

I ran a very successful munch about 10 years ago. The restaurant knew what we were about, but we were welcomed there because to the regular restaurant attendees we seemed like a large group of diners. We had a little area away from others and as long as people weren't loud they could talk about whatever they wanted.

I was handing it off to another couple as I had work things I needed to do. It was on that last night when they were taking over that a crossdresser showed in up his "Hot Maid" black silk outfit and wig. He strode through the place and made many trips to the bar just looking around to see who was looking at him.

5 people at my munch got up and left immediately. I knew this person and knew that this was showing off and he got off on upsetting the vanillas. (He has given classes on this.)

I had just given control to the couple who did nothing about it. After years of a successful arrangement with the restaurant, the group was asked to never come back.
When you put yourself out there and indulge your kneeling or slapping or whatever it is that can not be ignored by others you are violating the rights of others to consent. And like it or not public displays like ours do come with that caveat.

I can't speak for European venues, but in the states, I don't know one restaurant that would allow kneeling at the table in the public areas. And I do know that the group I handed off and quiet a few others have short life spans and typically after a few gatherings they are told to find another place.

But take out BDSM and all its directions. What if an Orthodox Jewish man came in and stood in the middle of your dinner standing, praying in full garb? What if he was so loud or distracting that you had to stop your conversation?

Or a Christian who had to say grace before eating and again was so loud that you couldn't enjoy your meal?

Would it matter if you were an atheist?
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We consistently have a collection of people attracted to things that shock the public. It's for attention or to rebel against what they see as a normal society. In private, nobody cares. But they don't stay private. They want, need, even depend on that shock and awe.

When I see people doing this outward stuff. Or those who show up with a single tale worn as a belt. or behave in protocol-oriented ways that are obvious, I always wonder how brittle is their dynamic that they can't find more appropriate ways of enforcing their power exchange.

I'm sure plenty will disagree. I'm good with that. But you have to remember, that guy who showed up in a maids costume cared nothing about the other attendees of that munch. He didn't care if they had sensitive jobs, custody battles, and divorces underway. He only cared about himself. I call that behavior bullying. A person does whatever they want and leave others to deal with the aftermath or make them stop. And that is doing a lot of harm.

H*

AngelAtHisMercy​(sub female) • Jun 8, 2021

I have given more thought to this and have realized that a lot of restaurants do not allow this (most likely) due to hygiene purposes and fire safety laws. I was a waitress for a while and can tell you i would have been upset to find a kneeling slave in my way as i was hurrying to get from table to table. If one were to "catch" something from the floor not being well cleaned or whatever, the restaurant also opens itself up to lawsuits. Just my opinion.

SubtleHush​(sub female) • Jun 8, 2021

Angel, I waitressed as well. Can you imagine tripping over someone and dropping a hot plate of food on them??

AngelAtHisMercy​(sub female) • Jun 8, 2021

omg, what a nightmare that would have been!

SageFlame​(sub female) • Jun 8, 2021

Considering

I adore the thought of being at my Masters feet. It is intoxicating and so pleasing to him to show honor this way. I've not explored much exhibitionism but have a hard time thinking of a place that would be acceptable. Not acceptable by way of approval but my thoughts are always with consequences to children. In a public restaurant it very well could be traumatizing to see someone behaving in a way that doesn't make sense. Trauma happens and is part of life but if we can help make the world a little safer while they are young we would all benefit. Little minds matter in this sense.

I can hear it now " What's wrong with her mama?" " Why is she doing that?"
How would a parent explain ?
I'm thinking of kids under 8, but I wouldn't want to try and explain it to my teenagers either!

purplevelvet​(dom male) • Jun 21, 2021

I love how you put your imagination to work and create a scene where you, as a slave, keep your resolve and put pride into pleasing your Master even in a setting like this. I get you, and I like how you think.

However, I would be very aware not to bring others involuntarily into my kink, but that's just how I'm pieced together. If it was the other way around, and on a topic I am not comfortable with, I would possibly feel very bothered by it.

This seems innocent enough but I can imagine how this in a worst case scenario could provoke people who are very sensitive about gender issues. If it causes a scene and attracts undesired attention it would be unpleasant both for you, the other guests and ultimately, I guess, the restaurant owner.

JerseyJackNJ​(sub male){uncollared} • Nov 12, 2021

I have kissed the boots of a DOMME at a restaurant before...not much that you can shock me with...I would do that again in an hearbeat...