Lesbians sucking cock

I know it is bad form for a Male Dom to be posting in this forum and what you may think is wank material but hear me out please:

While plotting out a new story, I have a Domme with a female slave who has been bad. This slave's punishment is to down on each man in a long line. My question is whether a lesbian would think this is indeed a punishment or something that is not a big deal.

Now set aside the violation of making a gay person interact sexually with an opposite gender, the question is how much offence would the s type take?

Would be worse to give her the white box treatment while being used in ever sexual way by men, but doubt any decent domme would want such psycological trauma done to their property/ partner

Not "bad form" since you're asking for this group's thoughts and/or opinions on the matter, IMHO

What you didn't mention in the starter post is: Are either or both the characters in the story "dyed in the wool from Jump" lesbians, sometimes called "gold stars" who would want absolutely nothing to do with having men around at all ---except when absolutely necessary.

Or are they "L-Leaning BI". Those were the ones I ran across the most when I was active as that was how I rolled, too.--- That difference is all the difference.

A side note and strictly IMHO, the first scenario involving strict "Always have been" lesbians would be unrealistic due to the reasons I mentioned above,
Just let the story play out and don't get too much into details (you'll always find the devil in there) --and most readers would simply take the scene as you intend it to be:

"Effective punishment for the substandard sub"

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Sorry it's taken me so long to reply-- the holidays and life in general get in the way of fun, lol. As a lesbian who's actually been in this situation I have some thoughts (hopefully not too late for your writing!). To anyone reading who may clasp their pearls at my boundaries around negotiation in relationships, I've done this a long time, learned from my mistakes and don't advocate for anyone to do the things I do.

I was with a dominant when I first entered the community at 22 who I was smitten with and would (and did) do just about anything for her because I didn't understand boundaries/wanted to please her/found most of it hot. One night we were out at a vanilla gay bar and I can't remember the exact context, but in order to do something I had to agree to give this (cis) dude a blowjob. It was something that we'd spoken about in passing but never negotiated (notice to others: I play under RACK and haven't and don't always negotiate each aspect of my play. Take that as you will), like "haha wouldn't it be funny if we made laura suck so and so's dick," and I would haha right along. When the real deal came up I knew that I could say no but in my head it would make an indelible mark on my relationship (again, I'm not telling anyone how to play/navigate relationships in this post, just recounting my experience), and it very well may have. We were heading toward an M/s dynamic and I wanted to prove myself.

So. Now that the scene's set, this guy came back to the playspace (she used to own the local dungeon in my town so we had easy access to the space) and it was such a letdown. I had built up the scenario in my head, was proud of myself for experimenting and trying something that made her happy, got on my knees, having no freaking idea what to do, and went to town like I would on a woman, figuring at the very least he'd get hard from it. Well, dude turned out to have a major case of whiskey dick and no matter what I did, under her tutelage, nothing happened. But I definitely gave it the ol' college try.

Now to answer your questions (and these are relative to me and my experiences):
I was not traumatized in the least. I was "ordered" to do something WAY out of my comfort zone, made the choice to obey, and was in no way, shape, or form messed up by it. In fact it made me happy that I was able to do that for her. I suppose I'm not the average lesbian answer, but I like to think that my experience and values fit in the context of your story. I don't feel any less a dyke because I chose to obey in that context. In the grand scheme of things it was a big deal in that I got a lot of attention for doing something that made her happy, and I suppose it would be the same in your story.

Would I think going down a line of dudes and sucking their dicks was a punishment? Absolutely. Mostly because I'm in my mid-40's now and getting on my knees is substantially more a challenge. But also it's something I fundamentally don't enjoy and that's what punishment is supposed to be, right? Again, since this is a story I imagine there is some leeway in the consent stuff and that the sucker knows what she's getting in to.

Anyway, hope this helps. Let me know if you are looking for anymore material.

While, yes, it has been awhile since I posted about this, I am grateful for your reply! TBH, that writing has taken a back burner (meaning I have forgotten about it). However your experience is exactly what I was looking for. Thank you for your grand reply!

Femdom women are often talking about punishing male sissy subs (open to Bi) with giving male oral. I don't think the premise is that different in a story context (said the bi Femdom)

And that is what I was thinking, but wanted some real time input.

One always hears about "forced homosexuality" (that is what we called it back in the day, yes I am old). Males on males and females on females. However, I can not say I have heard of a "forced heterosexuality'" Which got me thinking if such a thing has happened and what was the result.

What you're talking about is called "forced bi". I see you've gotten a few comments in support of or at least neutral to this idea, but I'd like to elaborate on this a bit. For context, I am bisexual and AFAB, though I identify as nonbinary/agender, and have had both a lesbian sub and a bi female sub before. This is going to be a wordy reply, but I feel the details are necessary here.

It's possible for some people to not feel like they're being abused or harmed when they actually are. If forced bi is to be done ethically, then it is done with a sub who has leanings toward bisexuality and is perhaps looking for a safe context to explore that side of their sexuality (maybe because they struggle to act on it themselves for whatever variety of reasons), or just enjoys the pretend context of being "forced" to do it. In which case, being ordered by their Dominant becomes the safe context, or the sexy order to be followed. To have a sub who is fully a lesbian and is not turned on by men at all and order her to interact sexually with a man would be unethical. Either she is actually some degree of bisexual and can safely consent to this scene, or she is struggling with people-pleasing behaviors and would only agree because she wants to impress her Dominant, as was mentioned above by another commenter. It can be harder to get away from these behaviors than one might expect, especially if it has been a lifelong compulsion. People-pleasing is a trauma response, and agreeing to do things that are harmful to oneself is pretty much the definition of it, even if that person does not necessarily recognize the harm. It can take a long time to truly break away from these habits, and is very difficult to do without help.

The same boundaries are true for Dommes who do forced bi with male/masc AMAB submissives. If the guy is truly straight -- which, in fairness, is more rare than people think; statistically speaking, more people are some shade of bisexual than 100% straight or 100% gay, but still, plenty of completely straight and gay people do exist -- but if the guy is really straight and has no real interest in men on his own, then it would be unethical for the Domme to order him to do any sexual acts with another man. The male sub might agree to it via the desire to please his Domme, or simply because he's being coerced, but that does not mean he is consenting safely. I have seen this very scenario cause some very big problems for submissives before, and it's something I would never encourage anyone to do, nor to perpetuate the idea by writing stories about it that the public can view.

If you as a straight male Dominant would not want to suck cock, then I would argue it would be unethical and not really your place to write about lesbians sucking cock, at least if you intend anyone other than yourself to read this story. They're in the same position as you. They only like women. If it's not fair for you, it's not fair for them.

I understand some people may disagree with me on this, but just because someone says yes to a thing does not mean that they're consenting to something that is good for them. I have had many a discussion with many a submissive about consenting to things and people that are bad for them just because they are desperate for the attention of literally anyone who considers themselves a Dominant. Some people consent to all sorts of things that aren't safe for them -- they can get scammed out of their money by sharing too much information and/or access with scammers, they can kickstart addictions to substances or other things, they can remain in abusive relationships, they can gamble all their money away, etc etc. They are not to blame for these actions because this is an area they are unable to see clearly and may need help to work through, but just because they said yes to the action or person does not mean the choice was safe, sane, or truly consensual. A teenager can verbally consent to sexual contact with an adult, but they are not mentally cable of real consent because they are unable to foresee the consequences or accept that this would be abuse. Consent can be complicated, and the more people are educated about what is safe to consent to, the better. Saying yes is not enough. One must be informed about and able to fully understand what they are consenting to in order for that yes to be safely accepted.

I fully know what boundaries and limits mean. More than likely, I have been doing this longer than you have (maybe longer than you have been born, but since you have no age on your profile, I can't make that assumption).

Different relationships have different structures and some Dom/mes have much more stringent guidelines than are often found today. Particularly amoung us Old Schoolers. I have, in the past, worked with male property, as well as female property. Everyone knew going in they would engage with same gender sexually. 3 or 4 times before any kind of scene started.

I've been sucked off by men and ass fucked same, but in my mind it does not really make me Bi. I didn't do it because I found them sexually attractive, but to Dominate. To me a hole is a hole.

The reason for this thread is to see if any Lesbians had such an experience and what they thought of it. Which laura was so kind to offer. (tbh: I never thought of a lesbian not knowing how to give a blowjob, which makes me a sexist, or genderist maybe.)

My profile actually does say I'm in my 40s. It also says I've been in the BDSM world for 13 years, so I assure you, my understanding of consent, especially when it comes to forced bi, is not lacking.

Just because the subs knew ahead of time that same sex contact was on the agenda does not necessarily mean they consented to it in their own best interest. That's not to say they didn't, either. I'm sure some did. I have seen a lot of subs consent to things they don't actually enjoy or that would be harmful to them just to please or impress a dominant though, and I find far too many dominants do not take this risk into account when assessing whether or not a scene is safe to play out.

If you have been turned on by sexual contact with men, and/or by instructing them to engage sexually with other men, then you are attracted to men, and would be some shade of bisexual. Straight men do not enjoy this kind of play in any way, shape, or form. I understand you are older and may have a different understanding for this because of the eras you grew up in and how unacceptable homosexuality and bisexuality were. I've witnessed and heard of many older folks who have had similar aversions to being labeled as anything other than straight. Straight people don't willingly engage sexually with other people of the same gender though. By definition, that is not possible. Doesn't matter if it's about power and control and/or attraction to their physical form. Being turned on by someone of the same sex for any reason at all is not a heterosexual experience, and that's okay. It doesn't have to be. Perhaps labels don't mean much to you, I don't know, but they do exist for plenty of valid reasons.

Laura is *one*, singular lesbian, sharing an opinion that would be considered contentious by most other lesbians. I am effectively half lesbian, and have dated and slept with several lesbians, so my point of view here is no less valid than someone who is 100% lesbian -- which, I would say based on her words, Laura may not be, since again, homosexuals do not willingly engage sexually with the opposite sex any more than heterosexuals do with the same sex. The two options here are that Laura is bisexual, or Laura agreed to the act as a trauma response. Lesbians don't want to suck cock, regardless of who's giving the order. And yes, being unaware that a gold star gay lesbian who has never been with a man would not know how to suck cock is indeed problematic. I don't know if it would fall solely under the label of sexist, but at the very least, it demonstrates the thoughts of a man who has little to no experience engaging with real lesbians or how their relationships do and do not function. One singular woman in an internet forum is not representative of an entire community, so please don't assume she or anyone else will be.

Write whatever you like, but if you share it publicly, be prepared for it to be ignored and/or directly criticized by people in the marginalized community you do admit you not understand.