Rose's Thorns.

Max Heathen​(other male) - as a man, idk... As a father of 2 daughters, they may not get the training on guns, pepper spray, self defense and the knowledge of when and when not to use that beauty to your best benefit. BUT, I'm interested to hear more.

rosethorn​(sub female) - Men think you're easy and constantly waste your time while women don't respect you because they think you're competiton rather than just trying to get by with no issues or because you think you're having a conversation with no idea the guy is thinking something else

Men make fools of themselves not always a bad thing i.e. flowers although thats only happened twice but men will start acting out toward others as a form of showing off

Its not good and its lonely

RightOne - The dysfunctional direction is related to feelings of abandonment from the lack of a paternal relationship...which can then evolve into the situation of 'never enough male attention'. So there is a common dangerous pattern associated with the situation in some cases.

rosethorn​(sub female) - There is... unfortunately you don't always realise your getting male attention

JustMe​(sub female){NOT lookin} - Being attractive is subjective. But more importantly, what happens to a “woman”(pretty or not) Because we are all beautiful in many ways. My mama brought me up to know how to take care of my self, fend for my self, to know how to do stuff. Cus ultimately the only one you can truly rely on is yourself. So I learned all I could to help me in life and I stand proud of that whilst being a submissive.

rosethorn​(sub female) - Your lucky to have been taught that. I know how to look after myself but avoiding the situation would be nice. .. unfortunately sometimes just by being nicee others think you're interested

Moonlighter​(dom male) - It depends, I feel, largely on the father/parental figure in question.
As an example my parents were fantastic and loved each other very much which gave me, although I'm a man not a woman but I'll circle back to your question momentarily, a positive role model for not only how a relationship should look, but how I should conduct myself and what I should expect from a partner.

I feel either gender without that is susceptible to the utter bullshit we are given on the big screen about life and how amazing it is as long as your body fat percentage is in the low single digits or you wake up with a face full of perfect makeup etc.

For attractive women ... well that depends who you ask, I saw plenty of attractive girls who were without fathers growing up as a teenager , they would all throw themselves at the popular crowd, being catty and bitchy to everyone who wouldn't serve a purpose to them, openly mocking people who were not as conventionally attractive or were different. Behavior like this is often societally rewarded at schools as everyone wants to be friends with the popular kids, you can almost always spot them as adults because they are either complete assholes or they end up being that middle manager no-one can stand.

It becomes a minefield for them I would imagine, because there is no figure in place to guide them in behaviors of other men, again the whole thing about my father showing me what I was expected to do as a man in a relationship, he's not perfect but he is a good man. A lot of attractive women could potentially fall to the manipulations and sweet words of total asshats because "they look pretty".

Which was very long winded of me I do apologise but I hope gives insight into my opinion anyway.

P.s. also don't rely on the dark gritty possessive part man part fae with long blonde hair and perfect pecs you read about in those smut books either I have it on authority they don't exist.

rosethorn​(sub female) - The last bit is so funny... your right about the middle management thing.

Its more not being able to tell if someone likes you or not so your just trying to be nice then they guy thinks you like him ...not all and no i don't necessarily think im attractive just guys seem to think its open season to give a go with no intention while being led on. Lots of time wasted and time to women is like money to men. We only have so much of it. But no follow through with intention sucks

Moonlighter​(dom male) - Ah, I see what you're saying.

It comes down to the age old dance of do they like me or not, most guys these days won't put themselves forward for a variety of reasons and the ones that do ... well they can more often than not be less than decent.

I know of people who the instant a woman treats them with a friendly manner will instantly take that as a sign of sexual attraction to be pursued. I also know people who continue to treat everyone with the cold shoulder despite being nice people themselves, because they fear something ... rejection, retribution, judgement etc.

Have you tried Henry Cavill ... I hear he's popular?

Jokes aside the best thing you can do is just straight up tell people whether your interested in them or not.

rosethorn​(sub female) - That's true and i think its one of the benefits of this lifestyle... being up front

SirTOuTOO{~ 2u2 ~} - .
Such women,.... are like a boat without a rudder ( or guiding Captain) and can be tossed about on the (social) seas of life, having to 'self-learn' the means of 'survival & navigation' whilst being subject to the constant barrages of Nature. ( read- interested males )
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When she finds her Natural means of 'guidance' ( read - protective control ) i.e. Dom or 'Father Figure',... she can relax, knowing he will always have her best interests at heart.
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TIME,... or the 'window of opportunity' is short for her, to seek & obtain this 'one', ..(20yrs from adulthood) and there are many 'apparent distractions' to vet out, as the clock ticks, if she is way-laid in the process. ( And I still haven't found what I'm looking for - difficult when that is an evolving UNKNOWN )
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rosethorn​(sub female) - Very well said and accurate