The Lost Art of True Femininity in The West.

Steellover​(sub male) • Dec 1, 2025

Some people desire a traditional, 50's household, June Cleaver, submissive wife. That's cool. Something to be said for that.

Others desire a strong, independent, intelligent, assertive, and powerful woman. And that is fine too; there is something to be said for that. I tend to prefer the latter, but respect the former, and to each their own.

TopekaDom​(dom male)​{Chaos } • Dec 1, 2025

And still others simply whine because women won't roll over for them because they lack a fundamental skill set in communication and relationship building.

Then blame the women for it.

Bunnie • Dec 2, 2025

I found it to be quite a beautiful read.

Sydney Alone​(sub female) • Dec 2, 2025

Is this for real?

Re: The Lost Art of True Femininity in The West.

tallslenderguy​(kinky male) • Dec 10, 2025

What constitutes "true femininity," (vs the fake stuff?), and how does one objectively determine that?

What parts are nature and what parts are nurture?

How does evolving/fluid culture fit in and how does evolving nature figure in?

my take on human attributes is an expansion of the human sexuality spectrum, to include pretty much any trait people possess. I.e. the spectrum is infinite and humans are individual. We are vast and uncontainable in a simplified label. While we use labels and terms like feminine and masculine and__________________, in order to try and connect, communicate, with each other, i think we can only begin to discover the 'true' meaning of those labels in relationship with the person who is using them. I.e., the person defines their self, and we use words and labels to try and convey who and what that means. Using our individual meaning of the label or term , then expecting another to be or conform to our idea or definition seems an attempt to make someone into what we want vs be in relationship with who and how they are.

chaoscutie​(sub female) • Dec 10, 2025

Truly feminine women are still around, but they have to hide it under "masculine" traits to protect themselves. If she does not have someone around her to protect this side of her, why would open herself up to being hurt? The world crushes beautiful and soft things, so she often has to show her teeth. It's only the people she truly trusts that get to see that side of her and even then you can blink and miss it, but it is in no way extinct. I envy women who feel protected enough to be truly feminine. I don't see it often, but I want to believe it can exist.

The Patron​(dom male) • Dec 10, 2025

I can't really identify with the over-dramatic overtone of the OP -
this pretentiousness is precisely the reason true femininity disappearing or more precisely isn't really understood..

Men-hatred, and toxic feminism (keep in mind the word "toxic") it's entirely a male invention, created by men, who seek to oppress other men, in order to dominate us.
And thus women who were born to a reality where all the known role-models are menly, joins the herd and loses there own feminine power of - motherhood.

Motherhood state of mind: tenderness, tending, gentleness, containing & so on...
That's the real power of a woman and it's one of the strongest on the planet even when not directed to children per say.
The globalization serves a lot bigger scheme, to make everyone disconnected from our nature and make us all docile and toothless; and that's why femininity is gone & also true masculinity is gone.

It's only up to us to stop let it happen..

intenseoldman​(dom male) • Dec 11, 2025

Charlie Kirk would have approved OP
I love a woman in a vintage dress embracing all her femininity as a kinky June Cleaver.
But if it were the only choice "western" society afforded her, how could she be happy?
You think because a woman may choose to compete with men on their own playing field, they are being stripped of their femininity.
I think you're just whining like TD says "because they won't just roll over for you."
And that’s it. They don't have to.
A woman can be strong AND feminine.
And there are those who would prefer more traditional feminine roles. They seek men strong enough to support their full expression of femininity and submission.
That's their choice, though. It's not, nor should it be forced on them by "western" society.
Women have not lost their femininity. They might be more than perfect mothers and wives now, but they don’t have to be Betty Cleaver OR Gloria Steinem. Tell me why that's not how it ought to be?
Women do you feel you can't be feminine or that your femininity is not valued by "western" society?

Anna Lynn​(sub female) • Dec 11, 2025

In my personal experience, western society in general, both men and women ( not all but many I have met and dealt with) do not value and even despise submissive women (and men.)

We haven't lost our femininity but it does show up differently depending if the woman is hiding her submissive nature.

MidSummerDream​(neither female)​{BothHold🗝} • Dec 11, 2025

I wholeheartedly agree with the sentiments expressed, having witnessed numerous changes after relocating to the West. It's likely the same in other areas, but here, there's an expectation for women to be fiercely independent, driven by careers, and maintain remarkable physical fitness, often bordering on workaholism. Despite this, there's substantial support for health and career advancement, offering numerous benefits. In contrast to my previous life in the Midwest, where many women opted to stay at home or pursue part-time activities, the West presents a different landscape. Social gatherings often revolve around superficial conversations, where questions like 'What do you do?' become tiresome, reflecting the influence of media. However, I've noticed that this emphasis on superficiality can be overwhelming, particularly in areas like Vegas and billboards showcasing extravagant lifestyles. Nevertheless, many individuals refuse to conform to these expectations. Instead, they prioritize self-improvement and personal growth. I've observed that some women here expect men to be successful and fit, but the reality is that everyone needs to be willing to grow and evolve. In places like Utah, particularly in Provo, I've noticed a softer side, with many women embracing traditional values while still enjoying artistic and educational freedom. Ultimately, the key is to find like-minded individuals who value authenticity and depth, regardless of location. Y es my guy acts like masculine man gentle wont take crap he does put things together he supports us but he wants me do my goals but rest up to me gotta get rid of fear ane media keep going to things you want cant let your mind live In a cage gotta have freedom take care yourself each other want a life someone willing go through everything. I’ve done some hard hikes in the Mountains But you push yourself can make it Happen. I use to be afraid of the ocean but if just try you can feel good you did. No one’s perfect we all go through things but your past not your future it’s choice in this life keep going doing better with it both sides .✨