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To me, thinking is something anyone can do. But just as you can practice anything in life, you can practice thinking. What sets you apart, then, is critical thinking. Your ability to see reason and logic. To construct arguments without fallacies or biases. It is important that you keep challenging yourself, and open yourself up to being wrong. And essentially, there is no shame in being wrong, but there is great shame in being wrong, and refusing to admit it.

With that grand introduction, I welcome you to my personal thoughts and musings. I can't promise there will be something for everyone here, and what I do end up putting up may be scarce. However, I always appreciate feedback and I enjoy debates. So if you have something to share, by all means, comment or message me directly.
3 years ago. May 28, 2021 at 8:48 PM

Something that I have found to be against common sense is how some subs seem to crave being punished.

I'd like to establish my argument by pointing out, that if you look forward to something, it's a reward. If you're looking forward to being punished, it's not a punishment, it's a reward. I have no idea why people don't just do it for fun, but I also see why subs really like the "I've been a bad boy/girl" aspect of being "punished". But in my world, being punished is always uncomfortable.

Being punished is a deterrent for future insubordination and disobedience. It is meant to be such a displeasing thing, that when you think of it, or indeed the threat of it looming over your head, you will actively seek to avoid certain behaviors based on the uncomfortable experience you will receive. This also means every single punishment has to be subjective. Universally, pain is a common denominator when it comes to punishments, simply because a lot of people find pain to be really undesirable. But if you deal with a masochist, which we find a lot of here, pain is attractive.

How then, do you punish with pain, when the sub finds the pain pleasurable? Simply put, you don't. You need to find something else that the sub would find really uncomfortable. For example, something I really like doing, is just give the sub an extremely cold shower until they are visibly shivering and uncontrollably shaking. Typically this is a very uncomfortable experience being "hosed down" and not at all desirable, and I have yet to find someone who goes "Oh yes, give me that cold shower, daddy" to me.

In any case, if you practice punishments that you two both enjoy, then I don't see why you insist on calling it "punishments". Just own up to the fact you both like it, and consider it play. But again, as I've said, there's probably a lot of "pretending" that makes it more exciting.

I'm also not a big fan at all of punishments in general, because I believe the "carrot" is a lot better incentive to behaving in a desirable way. A punishment to me, is essentially an enforcement of your rules with physical might. If you are not there, there is no guarantee that the sub is going to behave in the way you expect, because the threat of the punishment is no longer present. This leads me to always count on punishments as a sort of last resort. To always punish, not because I want to, because the sadist in me do really love hurting people, but because I have to. The carrot is useless without the stick, just as the stick is useless without the carrot. It helps to set a clear boundary of "to here and no further", and THEN you can begin reinforcing good behavior with rewards.

In any case, what do you guys think?

TakenLower - I totally agree! The only real way to punish me is something like time out, or corner time.
3 years ago
Jack in the box -
I wont voice my opinion, but I will say thank you for sharing yours ☺
3 years ago
McNelly​(sub female){Not lookin} - Personally speaking: I agree 100 percent it’s almost unfair to punish a masochist with pain. You’re not learning anything if you enjoy the repercussions, and you’re certainly not going to understand that your behavior Isn't okay or desirable. I want those boundaries drilled into my head as much as the next sub. I want it to be clear and I want to be able to remember that deterrent. Although, again personally, giving a sub the cold shoulder is the most lazy punished I can think of. It’s kinda boring, but not in a torturing way. It’s like watching an OSHA video. Yeah I gotta sit through it, yeah it’s mandatory but gosh I could be twiddling my fingers, entering myself, while it’s going on and completely ignoring it.
3 years ago
Satindragon{Not Lookin} - I agree. I was taught there was a difference between pleasurable pain and punishment pain. Trust me I did not cross that line often.
3 years ago
OraclePollon​(sub female){NotYours} - Ehhh. Depends on what you are punishing for. If you punish me for not having your drink ready when you get home with something I hate, that to me is borderline abusive, in the context your talking about. That is a mistake that should be corrected, not punished (again, by your definition) and correction should be work, but should also be a little positive.

Now of you reserve punishment for very apparent (to the point of relationship ending) rectification of a problem, then yes, I think punishment in BDSM is a beautiful thing and a point that a dynamic can get to where it can be essential and very important to the trust of a relationship (even though absolutely, distributed because of trust being broken and a means of wanting that back so badly) then yes, funishment will not do. It needs to be true punishment that will atone for and fit the crime at hand.

I guess something in the middle could exist... but this type of punishment your talking about should not exist for casual or unintended misdemeanors.
3 years ago
Dressing​(dom male) - I appreciate your comment, but you've taken the conversation further by going down the path of "when should we punish, and how much?", whereas I only talked about if it truly is a punishment or not if you enjoy it. To continue, there are different degrees of uncomfortable, light or intense, and once you find something the sub don't enjoy, you can decide on the magnitude based on the problem you want to rectify. Or said in a better way don't "shoot sparrows with cannons". Punishing harshly for forgetting to "bring a drink" would be illogical, unless that's your kink I guess then go for it.

I find your suggestion of "correcting" interesting. Not because it's a foreign concept to me, but because of what it implies. Let's say, for example, that a sub has ill intentions and is being disobedient on purpose. If you as the dom correct the sub's behaviour, the sub would, because of the ill intent, not heed what you say and continue to disobey. If you on the other hand have a sub with good intentions, then when you correct the sub, the sub would try her best to change her behaviour and do it "properly" next time. This means that, in order for a "correction" to have any effect, the sub has to be willing to change, and not be mischievous. You might also have a sub who is a bit of both, and will listen to your correction, but only after having her "fun". But this, again, leads back to "punishing for fun", if the goal of the sub is to be disciplined by the dom. This could lead to a discussion of when a correction should be a punishment instead, or vice versa.

Thanks for the comment, and thanks for taking it further! It's definitely interesting.
3 years ago
anlina​(masochist female) - And why cold shower exactly, if you would like to share? I got interested.
3 years ago
anlina​(masochist female) - *I've
3 years ago

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