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Just posting some of my thoughts about kink.
2 years ago. May 19, 2022 at 6:28 PM

I periodically see comments here and on other kink-sites that indicate some people harbor antipathy for brats and that brats get a lot of hate. I have no idea just how common this is but I get the sense, anecdotally, that it’s not exactly uncommon. Brats face charges of “not being true subs” and being too much work. These accusations are, of course, not true but I wanted to think about where these ideas come from. In part, I think it’s a matter of misunderstanding and ambiguous use of language.

 

I should lead by acknowledging my biases. I’m a fan of brats. I don’t necessarily need that element in a dynamic but I do enjoy it and appreciate brats and brattiness. I should also acknowledge that sometimes the problem is that one or both people in a dynamic are toxic in some way. Some toxic dom/dommes will use “bratty” in the same way they use “topping from the bottom.” As an accusation to discourage a sub from setting limits or expressing desires. Likewise, some toxic subs will use “bratty” to excuse the pushing of buttons that they know they shouldn’t push (subs can cross lines and violate limits too). Incidents arising from these sorts of dynamics can get dragged into, and complicate, the discussion of brats. Putting aside this sort of behavior however, I think the problem is often one of misunderstanding.

 

Like so many issues in relationships, problems often come from miscommunication or a misunderstanding of what both parties want and expect. I think the problem is that some dom/dommes begin seeing a brat expecting that they will eventually overcome their bratty nature. The belief is that they will transform the brat into an obedient submissive. It doesn’t help that the standard term we use as the counterpart to brat is “brat tamer.” The term implies that the brat will be tamed. I suspect most brats don’t see things that way.

 

I can’t say that no sub wants something like that; to resist at first but be overcome and permanently transformed into a non-brat. I don’t think that’s the norm, though. Most brats have no intention of ever not being brats. It’s a core part of their submissive identity and why they adopt the title. When they say they want to be tamed, they mean temporarily. There is no permanent taming of a brat. What you see in the beginning is what you’ll get further down the road. Seeing a brat is taking on the task of continually facing and overcoming resistance. For some of us, that’s the fun. For some, it’s not what they thought they were signing up for.

 

I think this is where a lot of these accusations come from. Some dom/dommes, misunderstanding what a brat is and wants, go in believing they will eventually get a traditional sub. When they don’t, they conclude the brat isn’t a true sub or is making them work too hard. If they were a true sub, why would they continue to resist? Misunderstanding the situation, they shift the blame to the other person.

 

So, what’s the solution? Like most relationship issues, clearer communication and analysis of one’s own wants and needs is vital. Dom/Dommes that think they want a brat should ask themselves if that’s what they really want. Brats should be sure to ask potential partners this question and make sure they understand that the brattiness will not be going away in the future. Finally, it may help to change our terminology a bit. Again, “brat tamer” isn’t quite accurate and can give a false impression. As an alternative, I would propose “brat wrangler.” You can wrangle a brat. You never truly tame one.

Curvy Brat - This is so true, thank you for sharing. A lot of doms don’t understand brats and think the bratty behavior is us craving attention when that’s not the case. It’s a form of foreplay on its own for a dom to tame a brat; it’s fun, thrilling, and arousing for a brat to be put in there place. It’s not for everyone, but this post really made me feel seen. Thank you.
2 years ago
KwsatzHaderach​(dom male) - Thanks so much for the feedback! Glad it spoke to you.
2 years ago
SirsBabyDoll​(sub female){Pizza+☕} - Very well written. Yes, Brats are seen as pariahs. Our kink is used to shame others, "Stop being a brat!", "I could never be a brat to my Dom", "I was such a brat last night and now I feel horrible!" . We are hated, disposed, rejected, and vilified. Just search "brats" in the forums and you will see just who hates brats, who loves brats, and who tried but gets it wrong.

Ask yourself this, can you attend a training to be a brat? Can you learn how to be a much better at being a brat? Can you improve your brat skills? No. Why is that?

Because of what creates a brat. To better understand the origins of a brat, think of it as an acronym rather than a word:
(B)io-social (R)esponse (A)fter (T)trauma.

Brats are people (because while it's mostly women, men and sons can be brats too) who have experienced trauma and how they handle moments when they are triggered or to prevent being triggered is to play mental gymnastics with their partner. It's a means of an end run around the trigger. Is it also fun? Yes because we can engage with our Dom in a way where BOTH people help prevent triggers. BOTH people work together to get to the end result. By "keeping up" and "outsmarting" us, it's calming to the trigger and we relent. We breathe easier knowing that someone who is able to outwit us, can protect us from our demons.

By wrangling us in whatever way works for the individual brat, you calm us and reassures us that yes, you have a knight in shining armour that is mentally strong enough and agile enough to handle our demons.
2 years ago
Curvy Brat - Damn this was also informative and validating
2 years ago
KwsatzHaderach​(dom male) - Very well said. Thanks for sharing.
2 years ago
SirsBabyDoll​(sub female){Pizza+☕} - Comment deleted by poster.
2 years ago
PrinceMatcha​(sub trans man) - Really well put! It’s not a trait that has to be trained out of someone. It’s more so a perk that not every dom wants!
2 years ago
KwsatzHaderach​(dom male) - Thank you! A perk is a good way of putting it.
2 years ago
mab{His} - In all honesty, any Dom of a brat will soon learn why they brat. And when that happens, for many, there is less of a need 'to brat'. And more time and energy is spent on other fun things...

To get there, is a slog for Dom's- but it's worth it!
2 years ago
SirTOuTOO{~ 2u2 ~} - Comment deleted by poster.
2 years ago
SirTOuTOO{~ 2u2 ~} - PS: I wish there was a(mobile) 'preview' prior to posting - please excuse the automatic ( wrong word inserts & spelling /typos )
2u2
2 years ago
SirTOuTOO{~ 2u2 ~} - .
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- To dominate any skill... there is always the need of the sub-mission or interaction of the - worthy opponent - or 'sparring partner'.
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The general outcome is known,... but without the 'resistive combat', there would be no means for the dom to continually 'hone ones craft' and be at the top of his 'game'... even whilst conceding a few 'points' to the ever-seeking 'sparring partner' (sub-brat) to uncover any 'weakness' in the masters skill-set... such than - no other - could do likewise.
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In the same fashion, a dom in such cases enjoys the challenge of the feisty brat sub.
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You can at times, remove the brat from their resistance,... but (gladly) you would never (want to) remove the resistance,... from your brat.
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SPARRING clip - combat epee >>>

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2u2
2 years ago
Gaiawolf​(sub female){RogueWolf} - I never would have thought I had any “brat” in me but now that I’m free to be myself with my Daddy I find I do. We don’t use the term brat though. He calls me cheeky and sassy, same thing but much more positive playful connotation to the actions then the negative “brat” has become. Although it is what it is and it is brat behavior.
2 years ago
SirsBabyDoll​(sub female){Pizza+☕} - That could be parts of your Little, depending on the behavior and her age. They can be confused but the difference is the motivation for the behavior, not the specific actions
2 years ago
SirTOuTOO{~ 2u2 ~} - May I ask a question ?? ( open to all - with no malice intended - but seeking understanding )
- Why do people talk/discuss/write about their ~ LITTLE or BRAT behavior ~ in the 3rd-person,.. as if their behavior is that of another separate individual ??
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2u2
2 years ago
SirsBabyDoll​(sub female){Pizza+☕} - An excellent question! I can only answer for me but in my case, it's because it's not my daily behavior. It's a subsection of me. My therapist said that it was a way for me to seprte myself from my emotions, "it's not MY emotions, it's my Little's/Middle's emotions".

I suppose, in a way, it's a form of anthropomorphising emotions.
2 years ago
SirTOuTOO{~ 2u2 ~} - An interesting answer, thanks. I don't want to divert the initial BLOG - so I won't goo too deep. The conscious separation to the 3rd-person indicates the acknowledgement of a,'normie - daily -social' persona/behavior, versus the 'little' (bratty) persona,.... and you being the 'consciousness' sitting above these two 'aspects' overseeing/aware of them both - i.e. slipping in and out of each - as need be .( or situation dictates)
- However, this appears to be way different from forms of schizophrenia ( split personality disorder) - am I on the right track ??
*** we can take this off-line , or leave it as it stands,...not to change the blog. ( thanks in advance)
2 years ago
Gaiawolf​(sub female){RogueWolf} - My little is due to me having DID so yes I speak of her as a separate person cuz she is. But that’s just me
2 years ago
SirsBabyDoll​(sub female){Pizza+☕} - We are both basic members so cannot talk offline so I beg forgiveness from the OP for this disturbance.

2u2 and Gaia, we can jump over to my blog if you'd like. I've written a thesis about brats and one chapter specifically deals with the difference between brats and littles. Here is the link:

Chapter 4: Brats v. Littles Debate
https://thecage.co/blog/userblog.php?postid=32062&blog_id=68569
2 years ago
flitter'fly​(sub female) - Thank You
This has definitely spoke volumes to me
2 years ago

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