3 years ago. Saturday, August 13, 2022 at 7:06 PM
Am I a sub or a slave? That’s a really good question and one that I have been working through slowly for the last month, trying to figure out my place in this world. Before I joined the site and dove into this world, I did a lot of research about BDSM in general, and I knew that I was submissive, but I wasn’t aware of the different levels of submission.
About a month ago, E had me look up the 9 Levels of Submission, by Diane Vera. I then fell down a very large and many branched rabbit hole researching the difference between a sub and a slave. Why? Because E had begun to notice that I might have slave tendencies. As he said, just because HE thought I might be more sub than slave, that didn’t mean that I was. He would never try to define me, that was up to me. However, he wanted me to look up the 9 levels just so I had that information. Researching this topic was difficult because of the plethora of opinions and the complexity of the issue, but also because articles written by slaves describing the difference between sub and slave were written by people who were deep into the journey - had already been a slave for months or years, for instance. There was a lack of material written by people who were in the midst of trying to find their way, which would have been more helpful for me.
Honestly, the idea of labeling myself a slave made me feel apprehensive, and I couldn’t figure out why until I was deep in thought about writing this post. Before I write each post, I choose my topic, then contemplate it for a few days before I start writing. I may do research, or look back on my communications with E, and then I spend a lot of time just thinking really hard and putting together the pieces in my mind. I told E that writing this blog helps me put things in order so that I can see them more clearly. But more about my apprehension later.
I know that the 9 levels is an old document. Some of the articles that I’ve read are against such classification and are insistent that everyone should find their own way and not worry about labels. I agree that we should all find our own path and not define ourselves entirely by someone else’s opinion or by someone else’s words. And yet we still call ourselves subs, slaves, baby girls, littles, etc. because it helps us find a way to relate to others in this world, and also helps us figure out what sort of counterpart we’re looking for. I found the 9 levels helpful as a basic tool to help me understand that there actually were levels, and it was helpful to read through them and take a guess where I fell in the list.
At the point where I started doing research, though I didn’t know about the 9 levels, I would have guessed that I fell somewhere around a 4 (True Submissive Non-Slave) or 5 (True Submissive Play Slave.) Lol so many articles took exception to the whole “True” thing and with good reason, I’ve seen many an argument out there online about what a “True” sub or a “True” slave or a “True’ Dom is. Essentially what “True” means in the 2 classifications is simply that submission is a real thing for us, but mostly about sex. The more research I did, however, the more I felt that I needed more from submission than just sex.
Why did E feel like I might actually end up a slave instead of a sub? There weren’t a lot of concrete moments that said “I’m a slave,” it was more like my way of thinking, but I’ll list a few things here.
- I don’t have a lot of limits - according to E, I “ooze sensuality and sexuality” and nothing he has brought up so far has scared me or thrown me - I am willing to try many things that might freak out someone else that is new to BDSM.
- I like to obey, in fact I NEED to obey him when he commands me - last night for instance, he called me and said, I’m not going to use a hypnotic command, but I want you to make yourself cum right now. He said that we might be in out in public, like in the grocery store in an aisle by ourselves, and he might tell me to make myself cum. God, I just listened to his voice, and a little pressure with well-placed fingers and I had an orgasm in about 30 seconds. As I said, I NEED to obey. I'm betting that if that happens I won't even need to touch myself, just the look in his eyes and his voice will be enough.
- One day I told him that I woke up horny, thought about giving myself an orgasm to help me go back to sleep, but I remembered that they were his - and I smiled and went back to sleep. Feeling owned, even just that much, makes me happy.
- We had a discussion one night about tracking, and he asked if I liked the thought of a Dom or Master being able to keep track of me, like through my phone - I was fine with it, thought it might make me feel cared for - with the right person of course.
- The way I felt when he corrected me that first time also showed that I could be a slave - the way I sank into my submission, realizing that I had been wrong, and that it was his right to correct me and guide me.
Given all of these things and some others, I read the 9 levels again and gave things some thought. They are a rough guide, not a be-all and end-all of submissive classification, so I came up with 7 (Part Time Consensual but Real Slave.) I still wanted to know more though, so I kept doing research on sub vs. slave.
What did I find? What I found is that there are many different opinions, but I managed to boil it down to a need. A sub enjoys being commanded to do things. A slave NEEDS to obey a Master’s commands. I also felt a kinship with level 8, the Full Time Live-in Consensual Slave, but I have a job so I would not truly be available 24/7. But as I said, the 9 levels are a basic tool, I could be a full-time slave and still have a job if that is the way that my Master and I defined it.
E and I chatted about this off and on, each time making sure he told me that it’s MY place to figure out what I am, not his place to tell me. He was simply making observations so that I could think about things. He also pointed out each time that it would take the right situation, the right relationship, in order for me to really sink into the slave role.
And so I thought about it, and it made me feel a bit apprehensive. I mostly ignored it internally, skirting around it in my mind and not thinking about why it bothered me. (Sorry E, I know it might bother you that I didn’t say anything, I truly wasn’t fully aware of how I felt.) Though I did ask him once, why would someone want a slave, isn’t a slave a lot of work for a Master? He said there are plenty of men out there who would love to own a slave, but that there are fewer who actually know how to treat a slave. He said that a slave must choose carefully, and never settle.
I dove back down the rabbit hole and kept doing research. A part of my apprehension came from reading personal ads and profiles as well as forums talking about property. Many personal ads seemed to be looking for a one-dimensional person who may or may exist - a woman who is happy to simply be owned, make her Master her whole world, and take care of all domestic chores as well as being available for sex at all times. I took these ads with a grain of salt, because the men behind them may not really know what they’re doing, they may not understand that the vast majority of women are NOT one-dimensional creatures. Some of these just seemed like selfish creeps who didn’t want to do the work involved with having an actual relationship.
Many of the profiles that I read expressed an interest in owning a slave, but focused more on the “no limits” sexual piece instead of actual characteristics of the person that they were looking for. And many didn’t share much about themselves either. Again, not inspiring confidence here.
Forums were another source of uncertain feelings. While some of the M/s forums on assorted websites were informative, others were really hardcore about degradation - owning their property, shaving a slave’s head, not letting her work, making her eat from a dog bowl, all in the name of ownership. It seemed very misogynistic to me, though serious degradation is not my kink. If some slaves enjoy that, then ok. We are all different and I’m not throwing stones, just trying to relate what I was reading to the person that I am, and the person that I am becoming.
While I did see some profiles that seemed to be looking for a slave that was an actual whole person, they were definitely in the minority. E’s words about choosing carefully and not settling were definitely in the forefront of my mind while I was doing all this research. And this was all contingent of course on me WANTING to go down that road. It does attract me though, I must admit. The thought of being with someone I trust enough to truly let go of limits, let go of everything and just obey, sounds both exciting and comforting at the same time. It would definitely take time to get there even with the right person - meaning months or years, not days or weeks.
I just figured out my true issue behind the apprehension this week in the course of contemplation for writing this post. It’s the fact that I was in the service of a narcissist for almost 10 years - my ex-husband. When I read ads looking for women for domestic and sexual service with no life, well gosh that was me for too many years, though the sex was shitty. Each day was lived for him. I would work each day bright and early, while he slept in. When we first got together I begged him to get a job, but he just waited me out. I didn’t dump him then though I should have. We had moved from Cedar Rapids to St. Louis together so we were both on the lease, and he was seeing his daughter finally on a regular basis. So the pity card worked there and I eventually gave up after a year and a half. I fell a bit in love with the kid too, she’s pretty great.
When we (I) bought a house in 2018 out in the country, he was just FULL of ideas. The house came with 1.5 acres, grapevines for wine grapes, asian pear trees, asparagus beds, a koi pond, and lots of perennial landscaping. He was going to microfarm, sell vegetables, make wine, build a greenhouse, etc. But each day came with a reason why he couldn’t work on things. He had a headache (lol never when he wanted sex though,) he didn’t feel well, he was tired (fuck I was EXHAUSTED both physically and emotionally from all his bullshit.) The excuses went on and on.
And then he would complain about all the things that we DIDN’T have. We didn’t have a fancy pole barn like the house up the road. We didn’t have a zero turn riding mower, just a 20 year old craftsman mower I got dirt cheap the 2nd year we were here (it ain’t pretty but it still runs and cuts the damn grass.) He would insist that we absolutely had to do something, and I would end up buying materials for a project that never happened. Or worse, a project where he tore something apart and never put it back together.
Each day involved him sharing every single nuance of how he felt, and my job was to dispense sympathy and excuse him from doing anything at all. During the pandemic it got worse, he was just angry all the time and very bitter about everything he felt like he didn’t have. Anytime he chose to do something it usually involved tearing something apart that we didn’t have money to rebuild. Then it was all me “blocking” him which made him even more angry.
Friends were thin on the ground. Moving to a new city in your forties, especially when you don’t have kids in school, makes it really tough to make real friends. When your narcissist gets all jealous that you’re going out with friends and he’s not invited (and has always had VERY few friends, imagine that) you start denying yourself that pleasure as well. You don’t want him around your friends because he’s likely to do something that creeps them out. I managed to hang on to a friend or two but we didn’t get to go out much.
The upshot here is that I was stuck in domestic service and sexual service that I did not want to be in. I ended up doing all household chores in addition to working my ass off at my job, while he would get up mid-afternoon and sit down next to me and start playing video games. When I was close to being done for the day he would ask, “What are we doing for dinner?” (Not sure what you’re having motherfucker, I’m having ramen.)
When I was diagnosed with pre-cancer and had to go through breast cancer treatment, he went off the rails entirely because he was no longer the center of attention. After months of gaslighting and one incident of coercion and not letting me leave along with threats of stalking, burning the house down, etc., I was finally rid of him. Lol now I have a boatload of unfinished projects, neglected grape vines, neglected pear trees, a koi pond that is pretty well screwed, etc. But I have my peace, and my strength. The rest can be handled, one thing at a time.
So back to my apprehension. I felt apprehensive because so many of the ads and profiles I read seemed to want something similar to what I had just been through. They didn’t take into account the richness of each person’s inner self or the needs of that self.
I feel like each one of us is like a beautiful embroidered tapestry on the inside. Deeper than the roles we play of daughter, mother, sister, brother, father, friend are the true pieces of who we are. We go through life with threads sewn into the tapestry in different colors for the different parts of ourselves. During tough years, such as my years with a narcissist, the threads may become very thin, laid down as placeholders for the traits that are still there, but hidden from view while we are going through tough times. My threads were very, very thin, but now that I am free and rebuilding my life, they are beginning to be laid down more thickly, in a variety of stitches and colors that illustrate who I am.
A part of me that I’ve found again is the girl who loves music, from classic rock to alternative to pop to bluegrass to oldies - Sam Cooke is a favorite. I play music all the time now, where before it was all his music when played at all, which consisted of EDM and Depeche Mode - not much variety. This girl has always wanted to sing karaoke but was a marching band kid in high school, so she’s taking singing lessons and loving it!
The 10 year old tomboy is another part of me that has returned. She thinks that the forest is a wondrous place, and when hiking in the woods thinks that something magical might just happen if she just waited long enough. She also likes to stuff her keys, cards, and phone in her pockets and take off on short notice for a drive or shopping trip, unencumbered by the typical bag of crap that women tend to carry around. The tomboy enjoys activity books made for kids and fills them in with pencil or crayons depending on her mood. The tomboy is tough and can be stubborn, such as when I was stung by a wasp when doing yardwork a couple months ago. Instead of taking care of it, I got mad, bought some spray at the dollar store and laid waste to the nests - it was like the bombing of Dresden lol. Then I proceeded to do yard work in the summer heat for 4 more hours, trimming trees and mowing, ignoring the wasp sting (ouch!) Needless to say my arm swelled up and it was painful and ugly for a good 10 days.
I have other parts that are newer to me, though they were probably there and just hidden before. The woman who “oozes sensuality and sexuality” is one of those parts. She is up for kinky sex pretty much all the time to my surprise.
I am not a domestic goddess who enjoys household chores. But while I do not want to be responsible for all household chores, I do enjoy making sure someone has what they like, or what they need. For instance making sure my significant other has food that they like, or clean clothes, or perhaps I learned how to make a dish that they enjoy just because it makes them happy.
I enjoy being a professional woman. I find satisfaction in a well built piece of automation, or a new process that works as planned. I enjoy being a friend and spending time with friends. I LOVE the forest and love challenging my body with trail running and hiking.
I’ve told E a few times that when I'm ready for a relationship it will take a strong, confident man to handle me and inspire my submission because I’m going to be a lot. Meaning I will be strong, smart, fit, happy, sexy, adventurous - all those things that narcissists like my ex hate because they can’t control us. I’ve worked with a therapist for the last 7 months and she has helped me find my strength. My journey along the path of submission has helped so much as well.
Here’s where I figured out the solution to my problem, and was able to settle my apprehension and start to feel more peaceful about the slave part of me just in the last few days. In the articles that I read about being a slave, the authors all talked about finding someone whose limits aligned with yours, because if you reach the point of vacating your limits in favor or your Master’s limits, it’s best to be sure that they feel similarly about the things you feel strongly about. I would add to that though.
In looking for someone who could be the Dom to my sub, and possibly the Master to my slave (eventually,) I would want to be sure that he would value all the parts of me that I value. Use the sex slave. Flog the masochist (if this ends up being me as well.) Celebrate the successes of the professional woman. Smile fondly at the tomboy when she’s curled up solving word search puzzles or connecting dot-to-dots. Make sure the trail runner gets her forest time. Make sure the social side of her gets time with friends. Go on adventures together. Teach me something you love because I love to learn. Let me spoil you, and please spoil me too. Value each other in all our complexity. Push me to be a better person. I’ll be your treasured possession, and I’ll treasure you as well.
Everyone’s dynamic is defined differently, but all are valid if both parties are in agreement with that definition. Though I may never find the right situation, consensual slavery calls to me. As E said to me, “Choose carefully, and never settle.” Sounds like a good plan.
Califia, Patrick, and Diane Vera. “Nine Degrees of Submission.” The Lesbian S/M Safety Manual, Lace Publications, Denver, CO, 1988, pp. unknown.